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hello and welcome to the show I'm Martin

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Willis your host and let's see we have

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an announcement but first of all I'll

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tell you Alejandro Rojas is coming up in

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just a minute and our guests this

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evening I'm really excited to talk to

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his name is Lauren Christensen he was a

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police he's been in the military and

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then he was the police officer for 20

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years he has some great stories and some

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other stories from other police officers

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we'll be talking about all that later on

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first of all the announcement mm-hmm

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pardon me it's gonna be good news for

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some of you live listeners it's gonna be

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bad news for some of you live listeners

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I do get a lot of email people wishing

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that I'd be a little bit earlier if

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they're in Europe they want to listen

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live so they'll be happy I'm moving to a

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new day that may affect some live

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listeners as well pardon me I'm going to

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go to starting June 5th which is a

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Tuesday I'm going to be moving to

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Tuesday and then I'm going to be going

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at 6 p.m. to 8 p.m. Eastern Standard

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Time now I can probably hear some boos

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and nays and some people saying yay as

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well out there so that only affects the

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live listener also along with that I'm

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going to be simulcasting on kgr a and my

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debut guest for June 5th will be Dave

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Marlar one of my very favorites should

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be a great show

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so and we may have some surprise guests

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also come on at the same show looking

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into that right now

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so that is it I hope it's really not

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going to affect anyone at all that

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listens to the podcast it's just going

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to be out a day earlier that's about it

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everything else will remain the same now

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I did a simulcast on kgr a I went on a

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show with a guy named commander Cobra

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and I simulcast and basically they do

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have commercial breaks but he and I were

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chatting during the commercial break so

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it's gonna be just the same podcast

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won't change at all

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so that's it for the announcement

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Alejandro Rojas

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welcome to the shadows I you're not on

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video again yes yes sorry guys

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yeah we've got woke those who I guess to

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listen to my show including yourself

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would know that there's some kind of

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construction going on and stuff here at

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the house that is the reason why I

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apologize for that but I know I look the

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same as I did last time you could see me

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on video so not much difference that's

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right yeah so what's going on in the

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world of UFOs this week so what's going

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on there's a lot going on as far as well

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I not a lot of big news I think you know

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the reason I'm pausing is because I

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think my story on the den of geek is is

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kind of big news in a way and then it's

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I don't know if I've talked about this

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during your show but uh the story I

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finally got out that I had printed and

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it was a tip-off that Elizondo had given

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possibility of congressional hearings on

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UFOs and so it's a really really

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interesting stuff no I don't believe we

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have talked about that actually okay

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because I was probably waiting until

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this this came out so this is really

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cool Politico wrote about this and which

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is really neat so what happened is a few

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conference and it was a big conference

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on and there were some news that came

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out of it but the political started this

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space briefs kind of new thing that

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they're going to do every weekend and

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it's a long you know kind of almost

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newsletter where there's several stories

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and like you know a dozen or so

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different stories about space their

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short stories

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the way down they were talking about

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this conference and at the Politico

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writer who is writing this this you know

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defense editor but also writes about

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space and stuff like that and at this

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might have even put a link to two actual

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videos but there were some people there

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Republican Randy Hultgren president and

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exploration Mary Lynn ditmar she's also

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a an adviser to the Space Council that

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like that and Bera and Hultgren are both

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members of the House Committee on

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Science Space and Technology and Bera is

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actually a ranking member of the space

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of the Subcommittee on space so bender

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these reports we've been hearing from

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the from about them for decades other

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countries take it more seriously than

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more is this just kind of crazy sci-fi

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stuff and you know typically on a panel

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like this you know everybody would get

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nervous and kind of make some jokes or

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something like that but berra the guy

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who's on the space committee said we

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ought to bring some folks in he said he

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he found that news really had piqued his

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the chairman of the subcommittee meaning

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entire you know space and Science

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on this right we had to have some people

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to boost c-span ratings you know a lot

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of people would be interested but he

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said we don't know what these phenomena

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allocate some funds and we ought to talk

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about what we can talk about so really

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interesting statement now Hultgren the

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interest and he also said it gets people

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engaged and he says I don't think this

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things buzzing around in the skies we

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don't understand then we should

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certainly should take a look at it so

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himself when he read the New York Times

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congressional hearings on this so now we

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traction they're getting in the

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mainstream world on on this news that

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the Department of Defense has looked

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into this topic and Elizondo and the

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pilots who have come out and talked you

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know are very credible they come across

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very well and I mean they're having a

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significant impact I think as far as the

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credibility of this phenomena Wow

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I just was asked to do talk at the

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meeting they're having this coming

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mm-hmm Samer Anto good friend contact

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he's great he wants you to talk about

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what impact the Pentagon you know the

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this information that is really that's

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really great momentum actually hmm it's

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on the den of geek so I will provide you

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know a little bit of an outline on open

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minds eventually but probably nothing

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more than you can get at den of geek so

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definitely please do go to Dennehy can

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check it out and the reason I think it's

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also really important that you go there

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is that den of geek and like you've

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noted is huge I mean they're one of the

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top visited sites period in u.s. yeah in

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the entire country there's rated to

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of websites so that's really get you

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know tons of viewers and in my last

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story where I asked Scott Kelly about

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UFOs it created tons of conversation in

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their comments and when you go look at

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people out there who have you know

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varying interest so that's what's cool

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about this site getting to all of these

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commentary that happened my Scott Kelly

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story of the weekend so it shows you

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championed wanting to get more UFO

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stories on there because he also felt

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editors are really exciting because they

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see that is the case so this is also an

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opportunity for people that listen to

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our shows who are more familiar with

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this topic to get in and and make some

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comments you know share some information

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and assure your knowledge and and your

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insight into this topic with some of

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those people reading these stories so

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it'll only help to spread even more

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credible information so please do go to

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den of geek and check it out plus

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they've got lots of fun stories I'm sure

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many of our listeners are into sci-fi

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and that's that's their main genre that

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they cover there yeah yeah excellent so

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what else is I mean that's pretty major

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um any sighting we see what's that any

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interesting sightings that you're aware

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of well not personally that I've seen

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really interesting NASA came out with a

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big piece of news just the other day

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Monday and they said that there were

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evidence of plumes from Jupiter's moon

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Europa of water so we've all heard about

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there is water and what's interesting of

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stories of these of evidence or that you

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there is a life you know in right here

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in our solar system on other planets or

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moons and so we keep getting these this

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news and NASA is extremely excited about

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it especially this news that they just

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released Monday about Europa and so very

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fun very I think this is significant too

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because I think it helps also to when

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the public sees you know scientists

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telling people that we're on the cusp of

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discovering you know microbial life out

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there that you know that's only one step

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away from you know if our solar system

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is it has life throughout it even if it

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is you know bacteria or microbes or

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something like that then the probability

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that there is intelligent civilization

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intelligent life that life out there is

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also enhanced and so this all I think

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place to what of course our interest is

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and why we do these shows that you know

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this is much more credible than and

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important topic than the public has

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realized throughout the years yeah you

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know I think as things progress here I

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think it's going to be less and less of

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a reaction in the general public in

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society once

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once it comes out yes there's definitely

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microbial life or I think it's gonna you

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know I think it'll be just really big

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news and then I'll everyone just accept

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it I think that's where we are at this

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point I don't believe that we're at the

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point where you know religions are gonna

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fail and you know the catastrophes that

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have been warned about I don't think any

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of that's gonna happen I don't I don't

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believe so anymore I think you're

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exactly right and I think that we're

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seeing that even with the major media

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it's it's not like whoa you know holy

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crap this is this is real it's more like

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yeah you know we always thought it

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possibly could be even though we made

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fun of it you know we thought it could

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be possible and and now it's turning out

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you know more and more that it is

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possible and it is a reality so I think

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you're right it's it's and they talk

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about that when we're all faced with you

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know unknown events that the first stage

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is to completely deny up the second

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stage is to kind of make fun of it and

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then the third stage is to accept it as

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a foregone conclusion and it isn't with

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a big bang a big holy oh my gosh you

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know we're freaking out it's more of a

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sure of course we knew that all the time

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you know yeah

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so it's it's interesting times but it

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makes it more fun I think because it

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makes it it gives us more of a wider

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venue to talk to people about this so

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for instance you know when I went to

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that event and and there was a little

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bit of nervous laughter when I asked

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Scott Kelly about UFOs because it's you

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know heard though he's like a hero yeah

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yeah you could hear it in the audio and

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everybody is like you know and I was

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expecting some people would be like oh

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my gosh how could you ask that but not

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really even though people were a little

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nervous the reaction of the PR people I

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was with him and some of my fellow

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colleagues who were you know media

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people was very positive they thought

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wow it's cool you know it's more like

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hey it was cool you ask that you know

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it's brave of you more of

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and it was something that I should have

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done it wasn't something I didn't get

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the response at all like I kind of

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wasn't even expecting that oh how dare

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you do that you know so it's really cool

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I think people are really opening up to

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this as being an okay topic to top talk

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about and I think that that's only going

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to be good I think will will be able to

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discover more together right right

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exactly

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all right alejandro well hey thanks a

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lot and we'll be having you on next week

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right you're coming on next week oh I'm

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here

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that I'll be going to the Utah UFO Fest

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so people maybe can go see me out there

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and Cedar City I think it's called a

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newt ah yeah all right well hey thanks a

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lot and I'll talk to her I tell you see

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I'm buddy all right take care all right

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all right everyone our guests this

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evening is Lauren Christensen he is a

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well he's a great author

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he's championed over 50 books close to

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60 and he's been involved in law

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enforcement since 1967 22 21 year old

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military policeman in the US Army and he

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was also in Saigon Vietnam and 26 he

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joined the Portland Oregon Police Bureau

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and so he basically after 25 years

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retired and started writing books and

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one right after the other end we're

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going to be talking about a really

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interesting book Lauren welcome to the

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show good Dave glad to be here yes and

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you are in your over an Oregon still not

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too far from Portland and so you kind of

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settled there and I don't hear a lot

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about UFOs in Portland do you do you pay

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attention to any of that well I think

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was it rainy or one of the first

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sightings in the United States and rain

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is just a you know short drive up by

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five yeah but I mean that's all I know

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now do you do here and then but minh

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ville which is a small town it's about

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30 minutes from it's about 40 minutes

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from Portland that was a major sighting

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too

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right they have a big actually I think

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there's this weekend they have a UFO

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festival there they make a big is it

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it's more fun than it is

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scary but I guess they have speakers in

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some kind of auditorium I haven't been

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to it but they have it's kind of a

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combination of information and a lot of

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fun people dress up like aliens and they

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prayed around and that sort of thing

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yeah I think Peter Davenport usually

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goes to that - have you ever actually

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gone to that I went one time I just

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because my I have a daughter that lives

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down there and we just went to the

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parade we didn't go to any I didn't

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actually I didn't even know there are

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any talks I would have yeah okay so you

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or someone that's kind of outside of the

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UFO field for the most part you know

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you're not someone that does the circuit

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and stuff like that and I've loved the

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fact that you're a police officer and

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military police and I want to talk quite

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a bit about that but can you give the

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listening audience basically your

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background and just so they can learn

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who you are I grew up in Vancouver

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Washington which is right across the

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Columbia River from from Portland went

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into the army in 1967 did two years

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stateside one in in Florida where I had

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the the major UFO incident that I'll

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talk about later and and then from there

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I went to Washington DC and studied the

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Vietnamese language then went over to

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Vietnam as a patrolman in Saigon and if

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I may plug a book I just had a book come

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out called policing Saigon just came out

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a couple of weeks ago I did I did a year

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there which was about the it's a year

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there was approximately the same as 25

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years with any major city in in in the

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United States you know a Saigon at that

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time was considered the most dangerous

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city in the world anybody did a year

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there and came back I didn't want

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anything to do with police work I went

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back into the martial arts and one of my

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oldest party sparring partners was a

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portland police officer he talked me

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into taking the test I took it and I got

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hired and did 25 years there retired in

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1997 and and in in your

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policing did do you personally I think

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your first story is kind of talks about

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something unusual happening right in

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your book yeah I didn't happen to be it

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happened to ya we're talking about a

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book called cops true stories of the

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paranormal yeah it was there some UFO

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stuff and some mutilated cattle stories

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and that sort of thing yeah I had I had

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two or three experiences on the job and

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about two and a half years ago I started

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thinking about some of those experiences

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I met a woman who had been in on the

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police department in Virginia and I

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can't remember the city now she told me

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a couple of her stories and I started

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thinking I wonder how many stories are

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out there and I thought I just put out

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on Facebook I belong to a couple of

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police Facebook pages and I was a little

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nervous about doing it this cops are

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what I call really meat and potatoes you

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know it's all about the evidence and you

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say you saw a ghost they go yeah okay

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there's too much pressure there for here

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you know kind of thing and I put word

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out and expected a lot of criticism and

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I didn't get any in fact the very first

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day I put out a request for story he

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told him what I was doing and I'm sort

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of known in the police community a

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community because I have a couple of

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books that are popular with police

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officers and so I had a little trust

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factor there going on and my very first

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day I got a letter I got a story from

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one of the top police trainers in the

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United States he trains internationally

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as well but he's very well-known United

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States he had already written it up he

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was a writer and had already written it

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up here and use it any place yet sent me

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the story so I used him as sort of a

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support to request more stories and he

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started coming in and officers were

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starting to tell each other one officer

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tell another guy some of the the people

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who contacted me were giving me stories

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would say you know I know another cop

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who had a

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had an incident happened and he's more

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than willing to tell it and I go to sur

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and so I started getting the stories

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coming into me and what I would do is I

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would look at the story I liked the

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story I would tell him okay let's work

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on this I would sometimes he just came

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in notes I got a couple of mail and

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snail mail stories written long am and

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my old-timers had long retired and is

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who I would take those stories and I'd

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rewrite them to fit the format that I

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wanted for the book I would send it back

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to them for them to okay or say no this

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wasn't quite this way or I remember

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another part of this we do that back and

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forth and sometimes it took five or six

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times until we had a story that was a

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finished product and I got I don't know

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how many stories in there I think I

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don't know how many stories in there

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well over 20 I think from about 17

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different officers from a couple in the

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military most of them are sheriff

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deputies SWAT people and not only are

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some police officers or were police

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officers some are high-ranking officers

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in the the military one was the Navy

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commanders I would call so these are all

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to use the other men's who was talking a

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word that I really liked was they were

536
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very credible and there's only a couple

537
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of stories that you know I don't think

538
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about I don't think so or one one story

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was so the guy did some things I thought

540
00:24:08,770 --> 00:24:07,160
would because of what what his

541
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:08,780
experience was he did some things that I

542
00:24:12,490 --> 00:24:10,010
thought would get him in trouble with

543
00:24:15,310 --> 00:24:12,500
his police agency and I said no I don't

544
00:24:16,690 --> 00:24:15,320
want to use that story and he was okay

545
00:24:20,230 --> 00:24:16,700
but he had another story that was fine

546
00:24:22,750 --> 00:24:20,240
but uh so and then a book came out I

547
00:24:25,299 --> 00:24:22,760
think it was April I think it was April

548
00:24:27,430 --> 00:24:25,309
two years ago and within a couple of

549
00:24:29,799 --> 00:24:27,440
weeks ago bestseller was the bestseller

550
00:24:32,620 --> 00:24:29,809
for quite a while and it's this

551
00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:32,630
bestseller rank is is given by Amazon

552
00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:35,690
and then it's now it still sells really

553
00:24:40,299 --> 00:24:38,090
well but it's not a best-seller status

554
00:24:45,690 --> 00:24:40,309
yeah it does it but it spikes up there

555
00:24:49,870 --> 00:24:45,700
around Halloween I've noticed let's see

556
00:24:51,940 --> 00:24:49,880
someone wants to know in the in the chat

557
00:24:54,759 --> 00:24:51,950
room if have you ever had any notable

558
00:24:58,389 --> 00:24:54,769
arrests that's an interesting question

559
00:25:03,610 --> 00:24:58,399
it's kind of a little off-topic I rested

560
00:25:08,740 --> 00:25:03,620
the leader of the guardian angels oh wow

561
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:08,750
and he gives a protest here and and he

562
00:25:14,350 --> 00:25:11,690
was involved in the protest and he

563
00:25:17,139 --> 00:25:14,360
resisted and I whispered I've been

564
00:25:20,110 --> 00:25:17,149
practicing martial arts for 53 years um

565
00:25:23,710 --> 00:25:20,120
I whispered in his ear I said what just

566
00:25:26,860 --> 00:25:23,720
he's real big guy he's probably 220 real

567
00:25:28,930 --> 00:25:26,870
solid and I said you gotta get up

568
00:25:30,549 --> 00:25:28,940
because the cameras were all rolling you

569
00:25:31,930 --> 00:25:30,559
know I whispered in his ear get up or

570
00:25:33,430 --> 00:25:31,940
I'm going to give you some pain he says

571
00:25:36,730 --> 00:25:33,440
do what you got to do we got our roles

572
00:25:38,649 --> 00:25:36,740
to play that's okay so I'm on national

573
00:25:41,799 --> 00:25:38,659
news making him jump up there real quick

574
00:25:44,230 --> 00:25:41,809
and but we ended up had a real nice chat

575
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:44,240
at the back at the precinct nice guy and

576
00:25:49,990 --> 00:25:46,490
he had his heart in the right place but

577
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:50,000
he had to be arrested too so sure to

578
00:25:54,460 --> 00:25:53,090
make his point on the issue I see mmm

579
00:25:58,570 --> 00:25:54,470
yeah

580
00:26:01,810 --> 00:25:58,580
so getting back to police officers in

581
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:01,820
general what would you consider makes a

582
00:26:06,700 --> 00:26:04,250
MP or a police officer or another type

583
00:26:09,610 --> 00:26:06,710
of law enforcement what makes them good

584
00:26:12,159 --> 00:26:09,620
observers or or credible witnesses in

585
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:12,169
your opinion well from day one in the

586
00:26:17,049 --> 00:26:14,450
police academies they're they're taught

587
00:26:20,980 --> 00:26:17,059
to observe it's all about observing and

588
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:20,990
you're there you're taught in lectures

589
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:23,690
you're taught in exercises in the

590
00:26:27,460 --> 00:26:25,730
academy and and then once you get out in

591
00:26:30,129 --> 00:26:27,470
the field you work with a training coach

592
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:30,139
they might call them different it might

593
00:26:35,919 --> 00:26:31,970
have different titles in different peace

594
00:26:38,379 --> 00:26:35,929
agencies in my age you is a coach and

595
00:26:41,759 --> 00:26:38,389
you're on probation for about 18 months

596
00:26:45,279 --> 00:26:41,769
and the first year that you work with a

597
00:26:48,369 --> 00:26:45,289
series of training coaches and it's all

598
00:26:50,619 --> 00:26:48,379
about being taught how to observe to to

599
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:50,629
look for something that's out of the

600
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:53,570
norm you look into a crowd you got your

601
00:26:56,799 --> 00:26:55,490
I work downtown a lot so there's lots

602
00:26:59,110 --> 00:26:56,809
and lots of people on the street all the

603
00:27:01,150 --> 00:26:59,120
time so there becomes a certain

604
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:01,160
pattern how people move how they stand

605
00:27:05,950 --> 00:27:04,250
how they how they drink their lattes all

606
00:27:07,660 --> 00:27:05,960
of this sort of thing and when something

607
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:07,670
catches your eye that just isn't quite

608
00:27:12,460 --> 00:27:09,530
right this guy is moving a different way

609
00:27:15,610 --> 00:27:12,470
he's dressed in an overcoat on a 95

610
00:27:17,860 --> 00:27:15,620
degree day you just give him a little

611
00:27:20,500 --> 00:27:17,870
more visual attention until you're

612
00:27:22,230 --> 00:27:20,510
satisfied okay that guy's fine and and

613
00:27:26,590 --> 00:27:22,240
then you just move on so it's all about

614
00:27:28,330 --> 00:27:26,600
observing looking for something that's

615
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:28,340
out of the norm just watching people

616
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:30,050
watching hey I did a lot of body

617
00:27:36,910 --> 00:27:33,530
guarding for dignitaries that came in

618
00:27:38,350 --> 00:27:36,920
into Portland and a quick stories a

619
00:27:40,990 --> 00:27:38,360
little bit off the topic but it'll give

620
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:41,000
me an idea about observation a body

621
00:27:45,820 --> 00:27:44,090
guarded Billy Graham for a week and I

622
00:27:48,370 --> 00:27:45,830
could pick him up at his hotel and take

623
00:27:51,070 --> 00:27:48,380
him to the stadium and I'd stand right

624
00:27:53,740 --> 00:27:51,080
down right below his podium where my

625
00:27:56,500 --> 00:27:53,750
head was about level with his feet and

626
00:27:58,630 --> 00:27:56,510
we had spotters up in high towers we had

627
00:27:59,890 --> 00:27:58,640
people wandering through the crowd and

628
00:28:03,910 --> 00:27:59,900
that sort of thing there's crowd was

629
00:28:08,350 --> 00:28:03,920
probably 25,000 people I had a little

630
00:28:11,169 --> 00:28:08,360
earpiece you know very James Bond and we

631
00:28:14,230 --> 00:28:11,179
had a spotter said we've got a guy to

632
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:14,240
the 6 or 6 o'clock you know please talk

633
00:28:19,390 --> 00:28:16,730
he doesn't look right and I saw looking

634
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:19,400
out in the crowd and the people were

635
00:28:23,919 --> 00:28:21,050
either you know joyous or they're

636
00:28:26,020 --> 00:28:23,929
laughing or they were you know all

637
00:28:27,580 --> 00:28:26,030
engaged in the moment or they were kind

638
00:28:29,799 --> 00:28:27,590
of shuffling to the right or shuffling

639
00:28:33,100 --> 00:28:29,809
to the left and I immediately spotted

640
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:33,110
this guy he was he was it was it a whole

641
00:28:37,270 --> 00:28:34,730
different zone in his head you could

642
00:28:39,130 --> 00:28:37,280
tell he and he would when both crowd

643
00:28:41,470 --> 00:28:39,140
removed this way he'd move the opposite

644
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:41,480
way he would look down everybody was

645
00:28:47,830 --> 00:28:45,530
looking up and the the tower people were

646
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:47,840
watching him and they said do we have

647
00:28:52,510 --> 00:28:50,330
spotters nearby and anyway the spotters

648
00:28:54,250 --> 00:28:52,520
in the crowd came and they nabbed the

649
00:28:55,660 --> 00:28:54,260
guy pulled him out of the crowd and they

650
00:28:56,950 --> 00:28:55,670
found a gun on him he was going to shoot

651
00:28:58,930 --> 00:28:56,960
Billy Graham he was trying to work his

652
00:29:00,580 --> 00:28:58,940
way up to the podium we never let the

653
00:29:03,700 --> 00:29:00,590
press know that but they know it now I

654
00:29:05,650 --> 00:29:03,710
guess but uh that just shows that it's

655
00:29:07,690 --> 00:29:05,660
all about you're looking for something

656
00:29:09,010 --> 00:29:07,700
that's out of the norm and it's

657
00:29:10,630 --> 00:29:09,020
something you really can't teach in the

658
00:29:11,650 --> 00:29:10,640
Academy is something you get by

659
00:29:12,470 --> 00:29:11,660
experience

660
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:12,480
you

661
00:29:33,590 --> 00:29:31,530
consider I mean a police officer

662
00:29:35,750 --> 00:29:33,600
considers their reputation before

663
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:35,760
they're reporting something and what's

664
00:29:42,260 --> 00:29:38,250
going to happen to them right well again

665
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:42,270
it's it's the the cops are meeting

666
00:29:48,890 --> 00:29:43,890
potatoes and it's all about the evidence

667
00:29:50,990 --> 00:29:48,900
so there's there's a couple three

668
00:29:55,220 --> 00:29:51,000
stories in the book and then what one of

669
00:29:57,980 --> 00:29:55,230
them's mine in which these the

670
00:30:00,740 --> 00:29:57,990
supervisors said don't put that part of

671
00:30:05,030 --> 00:30:00,750
what happened into your report yes

672
00:30:07,850 --> 00:30:05,040
in my case my part and I experienced a

673
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:07,860
really bizarre thing at a burglary of a

674
00:30:12,830 --> 00:30:10,650
coffee shop that we were doing we were

675
00:30:14,690 --> 00:30:12,840
investigating and had a very strange

676
00:30:16,340 --> 00:30:14,700
experience there and we got back out in

677
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:16,350
the car and we said we can't put that in

678
00:30:22,700 --> 00:30:18,570
the report can you tell us a little bit

679
00:30:25,159 --> 00:30:22,710
about that mine yeah yeah it was a

680
00:30:28,580 --> 00:30:25,169
coffee shop downtown in what's called

681
00:30:33,500 --> 00:30:28,590
Old Town and it was used to be Skid Row

682
00:30:35,870 --> 00:30:33,510
and the city's trying to gentrify it and

683
00:30:37,310 --> 00:30:35,880
trying to get cutesy little shops and

684
00:30:40,159 --> 00:30:37,320
restaurants in there but meanwhile you

685
00:30:42,980 --> 00:30:40,169
still have you know dopers and and and

686
00:30:45,350 --> 00:30:42,990
winos and stuff standing around but so

687
00:30:47,419 --> 00:30:45,360
some of the shops would come and go this

688
00:30:50,060 --> 00:30:47,429
particular one was a coffee shop right

689
00:30:51,799 --> 00:30:50,070
on a corner and my partner and I hadn't

690
00:30:53,210 --> 00:30:51,809
been in it yet you said we'd go into the

691
00:30:55,549 --> 00:30:53,220
new businesses just introduce ourselves

692
00:30:57,620 --> 00:30:55,559
and tell them we're around all the time

693
00:30:59,390 --> 00:30:57,630
and that sort of thing we had to

694
00:31:01,130 --> 00:30:59,400
introduce ourselves to this guy yet but

695
00:31:04,820 --> 00:31:01,140
we got a call right out of leaving the

696
00:31:07,220 --> 00:31:04,830
precinct and we went to the coffee shop

697
00:31:10,580 --> 00:31:07,230
and and we both said oh yeah we haven't

698
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:10,590
been in that place yet and it was the

699
00:31:15,409 --> 00:31:12,570
call came out is a burglary of a

700
00:31:19,010 --> 00:31:15,419
business with suspicious circumstances

701
00:31:22,220 --> 00:31:19,020
and we get there and a man is standing

702
00:31:24,620 --> 00:31:22,230
outside of the restaurant he's got his

703
00:31:26,060 --> 00:31:24,630
arms crossed and he's just really shaky

704
00:31:29,180 --> 00:31:26,070
and he's real really

705
00:31:31,580 --> 00:31:29,190
well jewelry and like I said once that's

706
00:31:33,050 --> 00:31:31,590
our complaint I get out of the car and

707
00:31:35,990 --> 00:31:33,060
ask him

708
00:31:37,730 --> 00:31:36,000
did you call and he didn't say anything

709
00:31:39,110 --> 00:31:37,740
I go I kind of touched his shoulder I

710
00:31:42,110 --> 00:31:39,120
said did you call and he kind of looks

711
00:31:43,670 --> 00:31:42,120
at me like like II didn't know I'd been

712
00:31:45,650 --> 00:31:43,680
standing there for you know 30 seconds

713
00:31:48,410 --> 00:31:45,660
and you know oh yeah oh yeah the police

714
00:31:50,060 --> 00:31:48,420
yes please come in so we went into his

715
00:31:52,130 --> 00:31:50,070
little place it was like I say it was a

716
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:52,140
corner place I think there are two

717
00:31:56,390 --> 00:31:54,090
tables a counter where you bought your

718
00:31:58,280 --> 00:31:56,400
stuff and a counter we could sit and

719
00:32:01,820 --> 00:31:58,290
look out at the windows at the drunk

720
00:32:03,350 --> 00:32:01,830
staggering boy so it already seated

721
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:03,360
about is a place where business you

722
00:32:07,580 --> 00:32:04,770
become and grab the coffee and their

723
00:32:09,590 --> 00:32:07,590
doughnut and leave when we went into the

724
00:32:12,230 --> 00:32:09,600
place and as we walked in I noticed he

725
00:32:14,330 --> 00:32:12,240
had a metal door that covered the main

726
00:32:16,550 --> 00:32:14,340
door with all kinds of locks up and down

727
00:32:19,310 --> 00:32:16,560
it and all there was two major windows

728
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:19,320
on each side of the corner and they had

729
00:32:24,650 --> 00:32:20,970
bars all the way up it's almost like a

730
00:32:26,030 --> 00:32:24,660
jail and as we passed in I noticed my

731
00:32:28,430 --> 00:32:26,040
partner looking and I was looking we

732
00:32:30,980 --> 00:32:28,440
didn't see any pry marks on the door

733
00:32:34,790 --> 00:32:30,990
what you usually see or they try the

734
00:32:37,670 --> 00:32:34,800
lock or they they Jimmy the the door

735
00:32:39,740 --> 00:32:37,680
facing or something we go in and we

736
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:39,750
start talking to the guy and I looked

737
00:32:44,870 --> 00:32:41,970
down and I could see a stack of coffee

738
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:44,880
cups and there's a little pyramid of

739
00:32:50,270 --> 00:32:47,490
coffee cups and they were probably six

740
00:32:52,700 --> 00:32:50,280
or eight across on all four sides and

741
00:32:55,130 --> 00:32:52,710
then seven and then six five four all

742
00:32:57,890 --> 00:32:55,140
the way one single coffee cup at the top

743
00:32:59,450 --> 00:32:57,900
and I go I'm just kind of looking at it

744
00:33:00,950 --> 00:32:59,460
going on what done you know he looks

745
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:00,960
he's me looking at and he says I didn't

746
00:33:04,580 --> 00:33:02,970
do that I said what do you mean you

747
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:04,590
didn't do that he says I came in this

748
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:06,210
morning those cups were that way

749
00:33:12,740 --> 00:33:09,930
I said maybe the burglar did it and he

750
00:33:14,330 --> 00:33:12,750
said maybe but there's no way a burglar

751
00:33:16,130 --> 00:33:14,340
got in here you saw the Dorris are you

752
00:33:19,730 --> 00:33:16,140
looking at the door I have a double

753
00:33:22,490 --> 00:33:19,740
there's no back door this is it he says

754
00:33:24,500 --> 00:33:22,500
I stayed till 9:00 o'clock I clean up I

755
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:24,510
set up the the cups on the shelf over

756
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:26,330
there he made a point of pointing out

757
00:33:33,170 --> 00:33:31,650
not on the floor and he said I I don't

758
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:33,180
know it is he scared me and he looks

759
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:34,650
over and he says I didn't do that

760
00:33:39,470 --> 00:33:37,050
and I looked over I could see a couple

761
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:39,480
of two cups too

762
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:42,210
lots of coffee cooking he says I didn't

763
00:33:47,900 --> 00:33:45,570
make the coffee no and he said I I make

764
00:33:49,340 --> 00:33:47,910
the coffee we got there's about fifteen

765
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:49,350
after eight he said I make the coffee

766
00:33:54,650 --> 00:33:52,650
about 9:30 I open about 9:45 for the

767
00:33:57,890 --> 00:33:54,660
businesses first coffee breaks you know

768
00:34:00,170 --> 00:33:57,900
then they come in I said and the coffee

769
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:00,180
the coffee plots were relatively full so

770
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:01,410
they hadn't boiled down they were

771
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:04,410
steaming but they hadn't boiled down and

772
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:06,810
and so we looked around and there's no

773
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:08,690
there's no place for the guy to hide you

774
00:34:14,090 --> 00:34:11,850
he his last thing he does is stack the

775
00:34:15,590 --> 00:34:14,100
cups on the shelves so he's behind the

776
00:34:17,720 --> 00:34:15,600
counter there's no place to hide back

777
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:17,730
there and even if the burglar and it's

778
00:34:22,070 --> 00:34:19,650
not a common for burglars to stay into

779
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:22,080
place and then break out of the place

780
00:34:26,270 --> 00:34:23,850
after they get their stuff you know

781
00:34:28,430 --> 00:34:26,280
after that after closing hours but there

782
00:34:31,460 --> 00:34:28,440
was no sign of breaking out there was no

783
00:34:35,060 --> 00:34:31,470
sign of breaking in and so out in the

784
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:35,070
car my partner I oh I should say some

785
00:34:39,850 --> 00:34:36,930
some delicious might be familiar with it

786
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:39,860
we have the Portland underground tunnels

787
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:43,050
a couple of the ghost hunter TV shows

788
00:34:48,290 --> 00:34:44,970
have come to Portland and gone down in

789
00:34:50,510 --> 00:34:48,300
these tunnels these tunnels were created

790
00:34:52,940 --> 00:34:50,520
back in the 1800s when that whole area

791
00:34:56,690 --> 00:34:52,950
was just a rock and roll and shoot him

792
00:34:58,880 --> 00:34:56,700
up taverns and saloons and all that kind

793
00:35:00,620 --> 00:34:58,890
of thing and they'd get a drunk I get

794
00:35:02,660 --> 00:35:00,630
him drunk and then I'd take him to a

795
00:35:04,430 --> 00:35:02,670
trapdoor in the back of the tavern

796
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:04,440
dropped him down into the tunnel and

797
00:35:08,390 --> 00:35:06,570
he'd be whisked out to a ship on the

798
00:35:11,090 --> 00:35:08,400
Willamette River and taken he'd wake up

799
00:35:17,630 --> 00:35:11,100
out in the sea and discover it now he's

800
00:35:19,370 --> 00:35:17,640
a sailor you know so and there's been it

801
00:35:21,650 --> 00:35:19,380
was a den of prostitution they were

802
00:35:24,140 --> 00:35:21,660
murders down there cop way back in that

803
00:35:25,550 --> 00:35:24,150
turn of the last century got decapitated

804
00:35:28,130 --> 00:35:25,560
down there they found his body never

805
00:35:32,090 --> 00:35:28,140
found his head so this place was right

806
00:35:33,590 --> 00:35:32,100
next to those tunnels he was probably 75

807
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:33,600
feet from the tunnels in fact there was

808
00:35:38,410 --> 00:35:36,210
a sign out there that said tours

809
00:35:40,580 --> 00:35:38,420
you know weekend's Saturday or whatever

810
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:40,590
so I'm party and I got in a car and we

811
00:35:43,910 --> 00:35:42,090
said we can't write this up about all

812
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:43,920
those mysterious cups in the coffee pot

813
00:35:47,390 --> 00:35:45,930
and everything will just say was there

814
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:47,400
no sign it was a was there anything

815
00:35:53,210 --> 00:35:52,170
missing at all no so yeah guy we all do

816
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:53,220
burglar

817
00:35:57,740 --> 00:35:54,930
yeah we just calling it well yes it's a

818
00:35:59,930 --> 00:35:57,750
breaking in you know bacon yeah yeah so

819
00:36:01,370 --> 00:35:59,940
well even that it wasn't a breaking echo

820
00:36:03,109 --> 00:36:01,380
there's no sign of breaking in is

821
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:03,119
impossible break in other places you had

822
00:36:09,559 --> 00:36:07,410
dynamite no yeah Wow isn't that crazy so

823
00:36:11,870 --> 00:36:09,569
so what did you investigate a suppose

824
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:11,880
did you listen case of us not yeah we

825
00:36:16,370 --> 00:36:13,890
just wrote a report a burglary no sign

826
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:16,380
of um no sign of forced entry unknown

827
00:36:19,670 --> 00:36:17,010
suspects

828
00:36:21,740 --> 00:36:19,680
it just got filed some points about that

829
00:36:23,809 --> 00:36:21,750
someone wanted me to ask you this in the

830
00:36:26,390 --> 00:36:23,819
chat room do you know about the

831
00:36:30,859 --> 00:36:26,400
mysterious Columbia River UFO incident

832
00:36:33,380 --> 00:36:30,869
with police recordings back in 1981 Wow

833
00:36:36,710 --> 00:36:33,390
I don't you know was on them that'll do

834
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:36,720
you something to do after the show -

835
00:36:43,190 --> 00:36:39,650
yeah yeah so I want you to talk about

836
00:36:44,660 --> 00:36:43,200
because I had I have a friend I haven't

837
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:44,670
talked to him in quite a while but was a

838
00:36:50,690 --> 00:36:46,530
police officer and I want you to talk

839
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:50,700
about the the first story oh I think

840
00:36:52,940 --> 00:36:51,450
it's uh

841
00:36:55,370 --> 00:36:52,950
may not be the first story but it's

842
00:36:56,900 --> 00:36:55,380
called vanished okay no - can you tell

843
00:36:59,750 --> 00:36:56,910
the your listening audience about yeah

844
00:37:01,099 --> 00:36:59,760
it happened it's the first story in cops

845
00:37:03,620 --> 00:37:01,109
true stories of the paranormal I have it

846
00:37:06,019 --> 00:37:03,630
broken into four sections stuff that

847
00:37:08,569 --> 00:37:06,029
happened on control incidents that

848
00:37:11,890 --> 00:37:08,579
happened in haunted places divine

849
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:11,900
intervention and a small section on UFOs

850
00:37:17,630 --> 00:37:16,410
the first one is is the on patrol and as

851
00:37:21,319 --> 00:37:17,640
you said it's called vanishing this

852
00:37:22,849 --> 00:37:21,329
happened in Virginia and I can't

853
00:37:24,829 --> 00:37:22,859
remember the city Rouen in the book

854
00:37:27,470 --> 00:37:24,839
remember the city Roanoke and Roanoke

855
00:37:31,099 --> 00:37:27,480
yeah well and um there's two officers

856
00:37:35,329 --> 00:37:31,109
who went on to be detectives and are now

857
00:37:37,720 --> 00:37:35,339
retired and are still to use the cliche

858
00:37:39,349 --> 00:37:37,730
word are very haunted about this

859
00:37:40,789 --> 00:37:39,359
incident and they've talked with

860
00:37:42,740 --> 00:37:40,799
psychologists have talked with their

861
00:37:44,510 --> 00:37:42,750
pastors one guy's very religious they

862
00:37:46,549 --> 00:37:44,520
talk about their pastors they are

863
00:37:51,289 --> 00:37:46,559
working a neighborhood they were in an

864
00:37:53,720 --> 00:37:51,299
old beater van have this happen way back

865
00:37:56,510 --> 00:37:53,730
to was probably like a 1970s van and

866
00:37:58,700 --> 00:37:56,520
they're working a series of burglaries

867
00:38:00,859 --> 00:37:58,710
in this neighborhood and so they were

868
00:38:03,079 --> 00:38:00,869
just patrolling a well just driving

869
00:38:05,329 --> 00:38:03,089
around in this old van plain clothes

870
00:38:07,010 --> 00:38:05,339
just seeing if they could to see any

871
00:38:09,140 --> 00:38:07,020
suspicious cars or

872
00:38:11,390 --> 00:38:09,150
thing and sure enough I don't know if

873
00:38:13,250 --> 00:38:11,400
it's the first night or the tenth night

874
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:13,260
I don't remember I don't even put it in

875
00:38:17,510 --> 00:38:15,450
the story but they spotted this old what

876
00:38:19,730 --> 00:38:17,520
they call a profile card it's just well

877
00:38:21,110 --> 00:38:19,740
uh what's that car doing here this car

878
00:38:23,270 --> 00:38:21,120
doesn't look right - in the morning

879
00:38:27,290 --> 00:38:23,280
driving three miles an hour down there's

880
00:38:29,810 --> 00:38:27,300
dark street they made the car the guy in

881
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:29,820
the car made them how they made him fly

882
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:34,290
no he took off at a high speed the van

883
00:38:39,650 --> 00:38:36,330
took off at a high speed as fast as it

884
00:38:41,980 --> 00:38:39,660
could go as old beater van and they

885
00:38:44,810 --> 00:38:41,990
reached some pretty good speeds 80 80

886
00:38:48,230 --> 00:38:44,820
miles an hour or so and they worked

887
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:48,240
their way to a railroad yard in which

888
00:38:54,650 --> 00:38:51,450
there was a cement is a large tunnel

889
00:38:59,210 --> 00:38:54,660
with a cement ring around the outside of

890
00:39:02,600 --> 00:38:59,220
the tunnel the tunnel went a hundred

891
00:39:04,970 --> 00:39:02,610
feet or so and just attracts the car for

892
00:39:07,790 --> 00:39:04,980
whatever reason a guy lost control and

893
00:39:10,220 --> 00:39:07,800
he hit that cement ring he hit it so

894
00:39:12,260 --> 00:39:10,230
hard and so fast that the car went up

895
00:39:13,700 --> 00:39:12,270
it's like in the movies when I see it

896
00:39:15,890 --> 00:39:13,710
happen to movies I go yeah that never

897
00:39:17,890 --> 00:39:15,900
happens but if this happened to hit that

898
00:39:20,930 --> 00:39:17,900
so hard the car went up a couple of feet

899
00:39:22,370 --> 00:39:20,940
crashed back down on the ground they

900
00:39:24,620 --> 00:39:22,380
bailed out of the van where they're

901
00:39:27,740 --> 00:39:24,630
trying to get their van stopped and the

902
00:39:30,260 --> 00:39:27,750
guy the driver leaps out the driver's

903
00:39:32,660 --> 00:39:30,270
window and takes off into the tunnel the

904
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:32,670
guy's bail out of the van and they start

905
00:39:38,930 --> 00:39:35,570
giving foot pursuit through the tunnel

906
00:39:41,030 --> 00:39:38,940
there they're really running fast

907
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:41,040
through the tunnel they got within just

908
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:43,770
almost reaching grabbing distance you

909
00:39:49,790 --> 00:39:46,170
can see the fiber on the guy's clothes

910
00:39:52,670 --> 00:39:49,800
and the guy disappeared you just

911
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:52,680
vanished in front of them they're

912
00:39:54,740 --> 00:39:53,610
hitting everything with their

913
00:39:56,270 --> 00:39:54,750
flashlights you know some of those

914
00:39:58,730 --> 00:39:56,280
tunnels they have little doors with a

915
00:40:00,440 --> 00:39:58,740
guy step out and over little docks

916
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:00,450
within this didn't have anything you're

917
00:40:08,030 --> 00:40:04,290
just smooth cylinder of cement that ran

918
00:40:09,650 --> 00:40:08,040
however far it ran to the end and they

919
00:40:12,500 --> 00:40:09,660
don't he taste him about a third of the

920
00:40:13,910 --> 00:40:12,510
way in half the Wayner zone it looks all

921
00:40:17,660 --> 00:40:13,920
around there's no place there's nothing

922
00:40:20,450 --> 00:40:17,670
to look at so they go back out of the

923
00:40:20,910 --> 00:40:20,460
tunnel now those other police cars are

924
00:40:24,240 --> 00:40:20,920
rolling

925
00:40:27,420 --> 00:40:24,250
and they walked by the smoldering car

926
00:40:29,340 --> 00:40:27,430
they look in and the guys behind the

927
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:29,350
steering wheel dead

928
00:40:36,510 --> 00:40:30,970
steering wheels punched through his

929
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:36,520
chest same guy same guy the the sergeant

930
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:38,650
comes and they they're all they're just

931
00:40:44,340 --> 00:40:41,290
shaken I said that's the guy we chased

932
00:40:47,970 --> 00:40:44,350
in the tunnel and the sergeant said you

933
00:40:51,060 --> 00:40:47,980
can't write it up that way you just just

934
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:51,070
you had a foot chase you and no you had

935
00:40:54,870 --> 00:40:53,170
a car chase and the guy crashed and

936
00:40:57,420 --> 00:40:54,880
that's the end of the story you know you

937
00:41:00,930 --> 00:40:57,430
can't put that in a report so all right

938
00:41:03,270 --> 00:41:00,940
now I gotta tell you a story okay this

939
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:03,280
is really interesting I kind of lost

940
00:41:09,420 --> 00:41:05,410
contact with a friend but he was

941
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:09,430
basically it was a a couple that was

942
00:41:13,590 --> 00:41:11,410
friends of my ex-wife and he was a

943
00:41:18,630 --> 00:41:13,600
police officer in a town called

944
00:41:19,890 --> 00:41:18,640
Northampton New Hampshire and he told me

945
00:41:20,970 --> 00:41:19,900
the story he said you're not gonna

946
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:20,980
believe what happened to me the other

947
00:41:26,700 --> 00:41:23,170
night and I said what what happened he

948
00:41:28,500 --> 00:41:26,710
said I think it's a I think the roads

949
00:41:31,290 --> 00:41:28,510
Lovering or something like that Road and

950
00:41:33,930 --> 00:41:31,300
it was all Marsh on both sides just all

951
00:41:36,170 --> 00:41:33,940
marsh and wet wetlands and everything he

952
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:36,180
was driving along and he saw this

953
00:41:41,030 --> 00:41:39,130
teenage girl walking kind of like a

954
00:41:45,450 --> 00:41:41,040
solemn look on her face just walking

955
00:41:47,580 --> 00:41:45,460
like toward him and so he stopped and he

956
00:41:50,340 --> 00:41:47,590
took he said you know it's a runaway

957
00:41:53,130 --> 00:41:50,350
that's that's what it is basically so he

958
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:53,140
took his his floodlight out and as soon

959
00:41:57,720 --> 00:41:54,970
as he stepped out of the car instantly

960
00:42:00,360 --> 00:41:57,730
she's vanished he didn't see her

961
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:00,370
anywhere he looked all along he took

962
00:42:03,450 --> 00:42:01,930
floodlight took his flashlight went

963
00:42:06,330 --> 00:42:03,460
along the marsh looked everywhere there

964
00:42:08,190 --> 00:42:06,340
was no sign of anywhere it's pretty it's

965
00:42:11,970 --> 00:42:08,200
like a big field on both sides but wet

966
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:11,980
you know wetland so he's shaking his

967
00:42:16,020 --> 00:42:13,690
head he said how can this happen he gets

968
00:42:19,260 --> 00:42:16,030
back in his car and he has a call and he

969
00:42:21,870 --> 00:42:19,270
said there's an accident and he was the

970
00:42:24,330 --> 00:42:21,880
closest cop on duty to the accident so

971
00:42:26,730 --> 00:42:24,340
he goes to the accident he said it was a

972
00:42:29,790 --> 00:42:26,740
station wagon smashed up against a stone

973
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:29,800
wall in a tree and he pried the door

974
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:31,450
open he looked in and was the same girl

975
00:42:37,110 --> 00:42:34,570
no man what's this a deal it's

976
00:42:40,110 --> 00:42:37,120
it's I read a story and I said I gotta

977
00:42:41,940 --> 00:42:40,120
tell this story well yeah well I often

978
00:42:45,290 --> 00:42:41,950
get asked what surprised me about some

979
00:42:47,910 --> 00:42:45,300
of the stories in a book and it's the

980
00:42:49,350 --> 00:42:47,920
this disappear this vanishing thing

981
00:42:53,430 --> 00:42:49,360
because there's a couple more stories

982
00:42:55,500 --> 00:42:53,440
and I put in some new stories also at

983
00:42:57,090 --> 00:42:55,510
the end of each section I put in other

984
00:42:59,070 --> 00:42:57,100
new stories that I found that happened

985
00:42:59,700 --> 00:42:59,080
the cops on patrol or in haunted place

986
00:43:04,230 --> 00:42:59,710
that sort of thing

987
00:43:07,410 --> 00:43:04,240
and and I found one maybe two other

988
00:43:09,570 --> 00:43:07,420
vanishing kinds of news stories as well

989
00:43:11,370 --> 00:43:09,580
as the other stories that some of the

990
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:11,380
officers told inet that never ever

991
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:13,570
occurred to me they said when I get

992
00:43:19,050 --> 00:43:15,370
asked what's the most surprising thing

993
00:43:21,330 --> 00:43:19,060
it's that you know it makes me think

994
00:43:22,710 --> 00:43:21,340
when you pass people on the street you

995
00:43:24,570 --> 00:43:22,720
don't worry you don't always look back

996
00:43:31,050 --> 00:43:24,580
at him maybe if you did they wouldn't be

997
00:43:33,450 --> 00:43:31,060
there yeah yep so I I'm kind of saving

998
00:43:35,250 --> 00:43:33,460
your UFO story because it's a great

999
00:43:36,750 --> 00:43:35,260
great story I want you to tell it in

1000
00:43:39,660 --> 00:43:36,760
great detail when we get to it

1001
00:43:42,330 --> 00:43:39,670
but I had Bobby's a regular listener to

1002
00:43:45,720 --> 00:43:42,340
the show usually comes in late he wanted

1003
00:43:48,810 --> 00:43:45,730
to know what's the strangest thing you

1004
00:43:49,700 --> 00:43:48,820
saw or know about on your tour in

1005
00:43:53,220 --> 00:43:49,710
Vietnam

1006
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:53,230
is there anything to talk about well I

1007
00:43:57,270 --> 00:43:55,690
had a little a little ESP thing I didn't

1008
00:43:58,890 --> 00:43:57,280
put in the book if I do a second book

1009
00:44:01,770 --> 00:43:58,900
and I gathered a few stories for a

1010
00:44:05,220 --> 00:44:01,780
second book I keep getting distracted

1011
00:44:07,230 --> 00:44:05,230
with other writing projects but um I had

1012
00:44:09,090 --> 00:44:07,240
an ESP experience which was kind of

1013
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:09,100
weird I don't fancy myself as being an

1014
00:44:15,270 --> 00:44:11,890
ESP person and my mother was but I never

1015
00:44:18,750 --> 00:44:15,280
thought it was I did write when I saw it

1016
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:18,760
I saw that as a possible question they I

1017
00:44:22,950 --> 00:44:21,130
remember reading several years ago me

1018
00:44:26,550 --> 00:44:22,960
way back what happened not too long

1019
00:44:28,530 --> 00:44:26,560
after I got back of helicopter pilots I

1020
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:28,540
don't remember if it's just one pilot or

1021
00:44:36,780 --> 00:44:31,810
more than one flying over the jungle

1022
00:44:40,170 --> 00:44:36,790
somewhere and seeing an image in front

1023
00:44:41,970 --> 00:44:40,180
of them in the air and giving some kind

1024
00:44:45,300 --> 00:44:41,980
of signal and again my memory I just

1025
00:44:46,710 --> 00:44:45,310
don't remember I could if I thought it's

1026
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:46,720
going to be asked this before I don't

1027
00:44:50,510 --> 00:44:47,850
look it up but

1028
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:50,520
the image giving some kind of a warning

1029
00:44:58,070 --> 00:44:53,370
either pointing down or whatever

1030
00:45:01,340 --> 00:44:58,080
whatever the the gesture was and the

1031
00:45:04,730 --> 00:45:01,350
helicopter either took it as get off

1032
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:04,740
this trajectory because there's there's

1033
00:45:11,210 --> 00:45:07,970
a you know a VC North North Vietnamese

1034
00:45:15,980 --> 00:45:11,220
gun installment and installation down

1035
00:45:18,170 --> 00:45:15,990
there some kind or or the helicopter

1036
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:18,180
lowered maybe the gesture was such that

1037
00:45:23,240 --> 00:45:21,690
he went down and found some American

1038
00:45:25,670 --> 00:45:23,250
troops that were stranded they had no

1039
00:45:27,500 --> 00:45:25,680
radio ready had been destroyed and he

1040
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:27,510
was able to rescue those I can't

1041
00:45:31,610 --> 00:45:29,570
remember there's one of those outcomes

1042
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:31,620
probably Hardy worth remember that's the

1043
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:33,570
only thing I remember about about

1044
00:45:39,410 --> 00:45:37,770
Vietnam now I know that I have talked to

1045
00:45:41,930 --> 00:45:39,420
other people where there has been a lot

1046
00:45:44,270 --> 00:45:41,940
of there were a lot of UFO sightings in

1047
00:45:47,870 --> 00:45:44,280
Vietnam I've talked to a number of

1048
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:47,880
people but I'm sure you know that's the

1049
00:45:51,530 --> 00:45:50,130
last thing on your mind when you're just

1050
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:51,540
trying to survive and like you said

1051
00:45:55,550 --> 00:45:54,090
you're in Saigon so well it wouldn't

1052
00:45:59,750 --> 00:45:55,560
surprise me yeah what little I know

1053
00:46:01,670 --> 00:45:59,760
about UFOs is that sometimes they're

1054
00:46:03,620 --> 00:46:01,680
attracted to certain kinds of events

1055
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:03,630
aren't they if I grew volcanic eruptions

1056
00:46:08,180 --> 00:46:05,370
that sort of thing yeah here you have a

1057
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:08,190
guy here you have a place where not only

1058
00:46:13,460 --> 00:46:11,010
you know 58,000 Americans died but he

1059
00:46:15,140 --> 00:46:13,470
had two million Vietnamese died as well

1060
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:15,150
you know and I don't know how many of

1061
00:46:19,010 --> 00:46:17,130
other countries so there's a lot of

1062
00:46:21,260 --> 00:46:19,020
tragedy a lot of violence that went on

1063
00:46:23,230 --> 00:46:21,270
there for the ten years we were there

1064
00:46:26,270 --> 00:46:23,240
but also the years the French were there

1065
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:26,280
you know in the in the 50s late 50s yeah

1066
00:46:31,190 --> 00:46:28,530
they know they started it right the base

1067
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:31,200
I think the Japanese even did some stuff

1068
00:46:37,490 --> 00:46:35,490
there you know in the 40s oh yeah so it

1069
00:46:39,430 --> 00:46:37,500
would not surprise me that such a

1070
00:46:42,770 --> 00:46:39,440
horrific place would get some kind of

1071
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:42,780
UFO sighting of some kind now did you

1072
00:46:48,590 --> 00:46:45,690
ever pay any attention to the Rendlesham

1073
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:48,600
forest incident when that go you know I

1074
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:50,490
just took peek and I heard about it and

1075
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:52,410
I just took a peek read it online but I

1076
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:54,690
don't yeah yeah so it didn't really have

1077
00:47:00,350 --> 00:46:56,810
at the time it wasn't anything that

1078
00:47:02,870 --> 00:47:00,360
sparked your interest at all

1079
00:47:04,370 --> 00:47:02,880
I don't know just were you Tyler that's

1080
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:04,380
what I looked yeah you have time to

1081
00:47:08,930 --> 00:47:07,050
really read much about it so yeah let's

1082
00:47:11,270 --> 00:47:08,940
talk about like I said I'm gonna save

1083
00:47:14,720 --> 00:47:11,280
you u fo sho for well actually why don't

1084
00:47:16,340 --> 00:47:14,730
I mean the UFO story for the one our

1085
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:16,350
listeners i think is probably failed we

1086
00:47:22,460 --> 00:47:17,850
probably ought to start talking about it

1087
00:47:25,940 --> 00:47:22,470
so i want you to tell in great detail if

1088
00:47:30,050 --> 00:47:25,950
you would your UFO encounter of the

1089
00:47:33,170 --> 00:47:30,060
second kind well when I was four stories

1090
00:47:36,230 --> 00:47:33,180
as the first kind yeah yeah when I first

1091
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:36,240
got with gathering stories for cops true

1092
00:47:41,030 --> 00:47:38,010
stories that paranormal I was told by a

1093
00:47:43,820 --> 00:47:41,040
cop that he knew a guy who had a great

1094
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:43,830
UFO story but I was never and never got

1095
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:47,010
to make contact with that guy so I was

1096
00:47:51,710 --> 00:47:49,650
left with just my story and then I I

1097
00:47:53,930 --> 00:47:51,720
conclude the section with a lot of

1098
00:47:54,770 --> 00:47:53,940
mutilated cattle stories which I find

1099
00:47:57,290 --> 00:47:54,780
really fascinating

1100
00:48:01,550 --> 00:47:57,300
in fact I researched it quite a bit and

1101
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:01,560
I did a short story called parts that

1102
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:04,650
was fun to write and and we learned a

1103
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:07,290
lot of stuff researching for the story

1104
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:10,050
but stuff I didn't know even when I was

1105
00:48:14,390 --> 00:48:12,090
working on the cops true stories man oh

1106
00:48:15,890 --> 00:48:14,400
you know my incident happened and this

1107
00:48:18,140 --> 00:48:15,900
was the last thing on my mind I don't

1108
00:48:22,820 --> 00:48:18,150
even think about UFOs and flying saucers

1109
00:48:24,500 --> 00:48:22,830
or anything happened in the in the

1110
00:48:25,700 --> 00:48:24,510
Florida Everglades I talked to a chief

1111
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:25,710
of police down there and he said

1112
00:48:29,510 --> 00:48:27,570
technically I wasn't in the Everglades I

1113
00:48:30,830 --> 00:48:29,520
was on the edge of the Everglades he

1114
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:30,840
said but everybody calls it the

1115
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:33,170
Everglades if you go if you drive from

1116
00:48:36,860 --> 00:48:36,090
Miami through Homestead out through the

1117
00:48:42,740 --> 00:48:36,870
keys

1118
00:48:44,810 --> 00:48:42,750
you you come to you hang a hard left

1119
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:44,820
after any anything the keys and almost

1120
00:48:50,090 --> 00:48:47,370
backtrack in those days it was just a

1121
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:50,100
single lane lane road that cut right

1122
00:48:55,670 --> 00:48:52,770
through the the jungle about seven miles

1123
00:48:58,370 --> 00:48:55,680
I know what seminars I to walk it a

1124
00:49:01,730 --> 00:48:58,380
couple times ma'am each side of the road

1125
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:01,740
is just teeming with jungle and you and

1126
00:49:06,770 --> 00:49:04,650
you get to a missile battery I'm

1127
00:49:09,460 --> 00:49:06,780
stationed on a missile battery there are

1128
00:49:12,740 --> 00:49:09,470
four missile batteries a b c and d

1129
00:49:14,140 --> 00:49:12,750
around the Everglades I never went to

1130
00:49:17,470 --> 00:49:14,150
any of the other batteries

1131
00:49:21,579 --> 00:49:17,480
just at my battery which was a B battery

1132
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:21,589
Bravo battery just uh if we took an if

1133
00:49:27,099 --> 00:49:24,410
you went up to 500 feet look down you

1134
00:49:29,559 --> 00:49:27,109
see a massive jungle with a little

1135
00:49:32,319 --> 00:49:29,569
clearing to your right and and that's

1136
00:49:34,870 --> 00:49:32,329
where we that's what billet was a little

1137
00:49:37,510 --> 00:49:34,880
l-shaped concrete building there

1138
00:49:38,769 --> 00:49:37,520
concrete because of hurricanes was there

1139
00:49:41,559 --> 00:49:38,779
during a hurricane I'm glad it was

1140
00:49:43,510 --> 00:49:41,569
concrete some radar dishes but there was

1141
00:49:45,730 --> 00:49:43,520
only sixty five of us there most uh

1142
00:49:48,819 --> 00:49:45,740
there were six of us who were military

1143
00:49:51,789 --> 00:49:48,829
police with sentry dogs German Shepherds

1144
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:51,799
and the rest all missile guys a couple

1145
00:49:57,789 --> 00:49:54,170
of cooks and a couple of clerical staff

1146
00:50:00,730 --> 00:49:57,799
a mile down this this little one lane

1147
00:50:03,309 --> 00:50:00,740
road was another clearing about three

1148
00:50:05,650 --> 00:50:03,319
times as large I don't know if you can

1149
00:50:07,890 --> 00:50:05,660
see my gestures and I'm talking with my

1150
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:07,900
hands they're about three times as large

1151
00:50:13,539 --> 00:50:11,930
in this space and what are the data's

1152
00:50:15,370 --> 00:50:13,549
clear to that bulldozers came in they

1153
00:50:17,170 --> 00:50:15,380
cleared this space and we were

1154
00:50:21,010 --> 00:50:17,180
constantly fighting the jungle who

1155
00:50:23,230 --> 00:50:21,020
wanted to return and reclaim what was

1156
00:50:27,720 --> 00:50:23,240
has been theirs for many thousands of

1157
00:50:30,190 --> 00:50:27,730
years but there were it was there was a

1158
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:30,200
but first of all there were three long

1159
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:33,410
rectangular barns that were actually

1160
00:50:37,829 --> 00:50:36,650
missiles barns each barn held six

1161
00:50:42,250 --> 00:50:37,839
missiles

1162
00:50:43,599 --> 00:50:42,260
I don't know 50 I don't know that my

1163
00:50:45,180 --> 00:50:43,609
crime is I already saw him two or three

1164
00:50:48,970 --> 00:50:45,190
times the old tunnels down there good

1165
00:50:52,620 --> 00:50:48,980
and each one had six missiles two of

1166
00:50:53,740 --> 00:50:52,630
nuclear and they're all aimed at Cuba

1167
00:50:57,220 --> 00:50:53,750
Wow

1168
00:50:58,630 --> 00:50:57,230
here sprung up during the Cuban war you

1169
00:51:01,269 --> 00:50:58,640
know we always came to World War three

1170
00:51:06,190 --> 00:51:01,279
there affect all four batteries were all

1171
00:51:10,180 --> 00:51:06,200
aimed at Cuba all the missiles around

1172
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:10,190
the barns was a double cyclone fence it

1173
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:12,770
was about 12 feet high barbed wired the

1174
00:51:19,839 --> 00:51:16,490
top and double meaning there there were

1175
00:51:22,269 --> 00:51:19,849
two of them with a little walking area

1176
00:51:26,349 --> 00:51:22,279
about a six-foot wide walking area they

1177
00:51:27,770 --> 00:51:26,359
go all the way around the barns and that

1178
00:51:31,580 --> 00:51:27,780
would it was

1179
00:51:35,300 --> 00:51:31,590
three quarters of a mile off to one side

1180
00:51:38,660 --> 00:51:35,310
were we're a huge gravel berms and these

1181
00:51:40,010 --> 00:51:38,670
gravel berms were tons and tons of

1182
00:51:45,050 --> 00:51:40,020
gravel was brought in they were probably

1183
00:51:47,690 --> 00:51:45,060
30 to 40 50 feet high slanted and with a

1184
00:51:50,150 --> 00:51:47,700
flat surface on top about six feet wide

1185
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:50,160
those were there that in the event one

1186
00:51:54,950 --> 00:51:52,170
of those missiles blew up the force

1187
00:51:58,400 --> 00:51:54,960
would go up and not wipe out the people

1188
00:52:00,500 --> 00:51:58,410
of Key Largo there was some some

1189
00:52:06,890 --> 00:52:00,510
trailers around the trailers had radar

1190
00:52:08,870 --> 00:52:06,900
dishes did some other stuff that they

1191
00:52:10,850 --> 00:52:08,880
use for the the missile the missile

1192
00:52:12,830 --> 00:52:10,860
business and there was at like a little

1193
00:52:15,290 --> 00:52:12,840
ranch house there where you could go in

1194
00:52:16,820 --> 00:52:15,300
you could make some food or some bunks

1195
00:52:19,550 --> 00:52:16,830
to sleep and shoot pool and all that

1196
00:52:21,620 --> 00:52:19,560
kind of stuff after after one side right

1197
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:21,630
by the berms was our dog kennels we had

1198
00:52:26,990 --> 00:52:24,210
eight dogs in here German Shepherds all

1199
00:52:28,940 --> 00:52:27,000
in kennel in separate kettles we'd pick

1200
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:28,950
up our dogs at night and we usually

1201
00:52:35,540 --> 00:52:31,290
would work two at a time and we walk

1202
00:52:39,020 --> 00:52:35,550
we'll just patrol that that fence we

1203
00:52:40,940 --> 00:52:39,030
work from 6:00 to 6:00 at night usually

1204
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:40,950
about 12 o'clock one o'clock would get

1205
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:43,290
bored so we go up on top of the gravel

1206
00:52:47,270 --> 00:52:45,690
berms and if it was daylight we'd be

1207
00:52:50,350 --> 00:52:47,280
able to see about a quarter mile of

1208
00:52:52,430 --> 00:52:50,360
jungle and the ocean beyond it and

1209
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:52,440
looking the other way you'd be seen

1210
00:52:56,210 --> 00:52:54,090
miles and miles and miles of ocean you'd

1211
00:53:00,250 --> 00:52:56,220
be out of the jungle you'd never see the

1212
00:53:03,410 --> 00:53:00,260
end of the jungle wait 35 miles to our

1213
00:53:05,420 --> 00:53:03,420
East would be homestead Air Force Base I

1214
00:53:07,250 --> 00:53:05,430
was in the Army the Air Force Base is

1215
00:53:07,820 --> 00:53:07,260
about 35 miles all these come into play

1216
00:53:15,500 --> 00:53:07,830
here in a minute

1217
00:53:18,370 --> 00:53:15,510
I was there for a year and about seven

1218
00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:18,380
months six months into my my time there

1219
00:53:23,390 --> 00:53:22,050
we're up on the berms another dog Haller

1220
00:53:29,350 --> 00:53:23,400
and I were up in a berms and we saw

1221
00:53:31,730 --> 00:53:29,360
three bright lights in the direction of

1222
00:53:33,290 --> 00:53:31,740
it's kind of hard to tell direction

1223
00:53:34,430 --> 00:53:33,300
because you couldn't see anything but it

1224
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:34,440
being the direction beat somewhere

1225
00:53:40,460 --> 00:53:37,610
between the ocean and the mainland

1226
00:53:41,300 --> 00:53:40,470
somewhere fairly close to homestead Air

1227
00:53:43,310 --> 00:53:41,310
Force Base

1228
00:53:45,590 --> 00:53:43,320
and we saw the lights they're about the

1229
00:53:48,380 --> 00:53:45,600
size at that point that this first

1230
00:53:50,390 --> 00:53:48,390
sighting about the size of Venus at its

1231
00:53:52,850 --> 00:53:50,400
brightest in whatever day that is you

1232
00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:52,860
know a year very very bright and they

1233
00:53:57,260 --> 00:53:54,330
were just kind of staying there just

1234
00:53:59,090 --> 00:53:57,270
that we're moving at all and we're just

1235
00:54:01,070 --> 00:53:59,100
looking at it going what's that the air

1236
00:54:02,990 --> 00:54:01,080
force got maybe they got choppers up or

1237
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:03,000
something we maybe thought in terms of

1238
00:54:07,370 --> 00:54:05,130
mystical planes they that kind of stuff

1239
00:54:12,350 --> 00:54:07,380
we're army grunts yeah we didn't know

1240
00:54:14,810 --> 00:54:12,360
anything about the air force but they're

1241
00:54:16,580 --> 00:54:14,820
kind of moving and it'd be still for a

1242
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:16,590
while and moving there up there for a

1243
00:54:21,260 --> 00:54:19,890
couple hours and we just didn't think

1244
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:21,270
too much about it we went down off the

1245
00:54:26,330 --> 00:54:23,610
gravel and came back up later and they

1246
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:26,340
were gone next night maybe a couple

1247
00:54:30,650 --> 00:54:28,290
nights later we were back up there again

1248
00:54:32,170 --> 00:54:30,660
and there they were another three and

1249
00:54:34,340 --> 00:54:32,180
they're darting around a little more

1250
00:54:36,410 --> 00:54:34,350
moving out over what we thought would

1251
00:54:41,510 --> 00:54:36,420
where the ocean was and then moving back

1252
00:54:46,220 --> 00:54:41,520
to where they had been this went on for

1253
00:54:47,630 --> 00:54:46,230
several weeks and some some nights there

1254
00:54:49,250 --> 00:54:47,640
were more than three some nights there

1255
00:54:52,310 --> 00:54:49,260
was just one some nights there was five

1256
00:54:54,590 --> 00:54:52,320
or six and I just remember thinking

1257
00:54:55,700 --> 00:54:54,600
telling my my buddies there I said you

1258
00:54:56,900 --> 00:54:55,710
know they are bases right there they

1259
00:54:58,460 --> 00:54:56,910
should be able to pick these up on her

1260
00:55:00,500 --> 00:54:58,470
radar if it's not them they should be

1261
00:55:02,780 --> 00:55:00,510
able to pick it up on a radar so we told

1262
00:55:05,450 --> 00:55:02,790
our superior officers and they just said

1263
00:55:08,570 --> 00:55:05,460
we'll just keep right up north port and

1264
00:55:10,790 --> 00:55:08,580
and keep us informed I never got any

1265
00:55:15,650 --> 00:55:10,800
feedback I assumed they called the air

1266
00:55:19,190 --> 00:55:15,660
base and told what we were seeing one

1267
00:55:24,350 --> 00:55:19,200
night we were My partner and I we were

1268
00:55:26,660 --> 00:55:24,360
walking the fence down one side down the

1269
00:55:29,030 --> 00:55:26,670
long portion which is behind the barns

1270
00:55:30,770 --> 00:55:29,040
we're about halfway down and we just

1271
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:30,780
stopped I think my party wanted a smoke

1272
00:55:36,230 --> 00:55:33,330
or something and we were to stand there

1273
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:36,240
talking and for some reason I looked up

1274
00:55:41,660 --> 00:55:38,970
and there were two lights way above us

1275
00:55:44,420 --> 00:55:41,670
how high they were I no clue because you

1276
00:55:45,730 --> 00:55:44,430
know how big they are and maybe maybe it

1277
00:55:48,130 --> 00:55:45,740
came all the way down there's this big

1278
00:55:51,230 --> 00:55:48,140
but I'm assuming there were you know

1279
00:55:52,730 --> 00:55:51,240
hundreds of feet up and we had fence

1280
00:55:54,790 --> 00:55:52,740
phones and we weren't supposed to use

1281
00:55:57,010 --> 00:55:54,800
the fence phones for anything

1282
00:55:58,990 --> 00:55:57,020
unless you're being attacked by Cubans

1283
00:56:01,660 --> 00:55:59,000
or alligators of something you know and

1284
00:56:03,490 --> 00:56:01,670
I said well I said an alien invasion

1285
00:56:06,460 --> 00:56:03,500
it's not a bad time to give him a call

1286
00:56:09,930 --> 00:56:06,470
you know oh I call and I said we got a

1287
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:09,940
sighting of lights right overhead and

1288
00:56:15,730 --> 00:56:14,210
the captain says hang up standby and he

1289
00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:15,740
called back about three minutes later

1290
00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:18,290
and he says you're gonna see a show he

1291
00:56:24,130 --> 00:56:20,330
hung up the phone and we could hear jets

1292
00:56:25,630 --> 00:56:24,140
coming from the air race and someone

1293
00:56:27,100 --> 00:56:25,640
said they're interceptors again I didn't

1294
00:56:28,150 --> 00:56:27,110
know anything about Air Force planes I

1295
00:56:30,150 --> 00:56:28,160
don't know if they're interception what

1296
00:56:33,420 --> 00:56:30,160
they were but they were really moving

1297
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:33,430
really fast and just screamed overhead

1298
00:56:39,790 --> 00:56:36,410
between us and the lights as they passed

1299
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:39,800
the lights were gone and you see them

1300
00:56:43,450 --> 00:56:41,810
did you actually see them vanish or no

1301
00:56:46,120 --> 00:56:43,460
we just noticed that those were gone

1302
00:56:48,490 --> 00:56:46,130
just it's gone it either you know are

1303
00:56:52,290 --> 00:56:48,500
our theories they either shot straight

1304
00:56:55,060 --> 00:56:52,300
up or they just disappeared mm-hmm

1305
00:56:57,550 --> 00:56:55,070
we wrote a report I'm zooming the

1306
00:57:03,070 --> 00:56:57,560
captain wrote a report didn't hear

1307
00:57:05,500 --> 00:57:03,080
anything about it and we were just we

1308
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:05,510
were ephors and army talk that's like a

1309
00:57:09,130 --> 00:57:06,890
corporal if you don't know what I need

1310
00:57:10,540 --> 00:57:09,140
for us that's like a a worm in the

1311
00:57:15,190 --> 00:57:10,550
military so nobody's gonna come and tell

1312
00:57:17,050 --> 00:57:15,200
us what's going on so we were hot one

1313
00:57:19,660 --> 00:57:17,060
night and when you're we had four

1314
00:57:22,150 --> 00:57:19,670
missile batteries and each week one

1315
00:57:25,120 --> 00:57:22,160
battery would be hot and that meant all

1316
00:57:27,100 --> 00:57:25,130
the missile guys would be down down in

1317
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:27,110
the missile area all the other three

1318
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:28,970
weeks it was just us the MPS

1319
00:57:35,110 --> 00:57:32,410
so we're hot and so there were like 30

1320
00:57:37,210 --> 00:57:35,120
missile guys going and coming from the

1321
00:57:40,360 --> 00:57:37,220
house to the missile barns back and

1322
00:57:42,430 --> 00:57:40,370
forth and we're we didn't get our dogs

1323
00:57:43,900 --> 00:57:42,440
out until real late because the dogs are

1324
00:57:45,100 --> 00:57:43,910
just going nuts because all these guys

1325
00:57:47,380 --> 00:57:45,110
were down there you know so we even

1326
00:57:49,390 --> 00:57:47,390
bother getting them out with dogs it's

1327
00:57:50,980 --> 00:57:49,400
all about following a scent cone and

1328
00:57:52,630 --> 00:57:50,990
when you got 30 guys down there unit

1329
00:57:56,260 --> 00:57:52,640
dogs not going to get a sec or anything

1330
00:57:58,240 --> 00:57:56,270
so we just go in and shoot pool oh one

1331
00:58:01,720 --> 00:57:58,250
of the one of the missile guys ran in at

1332
00:58:05,470 --> 00:58:01,730
one point and he said they got a UFO on

1333
00:58:06,790 --> 00:58:05,480
the radar screen I know what they are

1334
00:58:08,380 --> 00:58:06,800
now in those days are they were green

1335
00:58:13,450 --> 00:58:08,390
with little grids you

1336
00:58:15,279 --> 00:58:13,460
and the minbari had a UFO on there the

1337
00:58:19,450 --> 00:58:15,289
thing would blip I think would blip

1338
00:58:21,549 --> 00:58:19,460
around yeah and it was it would blip and

1339
00:58:23,470 --> 00:58:21,559
come back around again and it probably

1340
00:58:27,099 --> 00:58:23,480
whatever that takes five seconds it

1341
00:58:28,630 --> 00:58:27,109
would be down several grids and there

1342
00:58:30,940 --> 00:58:28,640
what we're all crowded in this trailer

1343
00:58:33,849 --> 00:58:30,950
watching him and somebody said how fast

1344
00:58:35,769 --> 00:58:33,859
is it going and the guy turns around he

1345
00:58:37,029 --> 00:58:35,779
just paleface he said it's got to be

1346
00:58:40,979 --> 00:58:37,039
going on East fifteen hundred miles an

1347
00:58:43,960 --> 00:58:40,989
hour maybe faster to cover those grids

1348
00:58:48,089 --> 00:58:43,970
we're the MPs were ordered to go back

1349
00:58:50,289 --> 00:58:48,099
out and and I don't know if I if I knew

1350
00:58:53,410 --> 00:58:50,299
if I was involved with anything after

1351
00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:53,420
after that I don't remember it but

1352
00:59:01,440 --> 00:58:56,450
either that same week or the next month

1353
00:59:04,239 --> 00:59:01,450
we were hot again we were inside inside

1354
00:59:06,099 --> 00:59:04,249
the shack shooting pool and watching TV

1355
00:59:09,160 --> 00:59:06,109
and that sort of thing we just back up a

1356
00:59:11,410 --> 00:59:09,170
second again we're we're in this this

1357
00:59:14,410 --> 00:59:11,420
space I don't know acres but maybe six

1358
00:59:16,630 --> 00:59:14,420
or seven acres maybe I've cut out from

1359
00:59:18,519 --> 00:59:16,640
the jungle mmm in fact we could hear

1360
00:59:21,819 --> 00:59:18,529
crocodiles snapping her teeth on the

1361
00:59:24,640 --> 00:59:21,829
other side of the fence sometime and the

1362
00:59:27,009 --> 00:59:24,650
the jungle was always alive with critter

1363
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:27,019
noise you know big critters and billions

1364
00:59:31,569 --> 00:59:29,210
and billions of insects the ground was

1365
00:59:33,609 --> 00:59:31,579
always teeming with creepy crawly stuff

1366
00:59:35,529 --> 00:59:33,619
I hated the place I volunteered yet

1367
00:59:37,599 --> 00:59:35,539
monic it out that's that after the UFO

1368
00:59:39,849 --> 00:59:37,609
thing after enough of that I said send

1369
00:59:45,339 --> 00:59:39,859
me a Vietnam yet he's got to be easier

1370
00:59:47,079 --> 00:59:45,349
you know anyway we're inside and and one

1371
00:59:49,210 --> 00:59:47,089
of the guys ran he's all excited and he

1372
00:59:54,150 --> 00:59:49,220
says there's something coming towards

1373
00:59:56,529 --> 00:59:54,160
the barns and so we all ran outside and

1374
00:59:58,930 --> 00:59:56,539
there were a problem somewhere around

1375
01:00:02,410 --> 00:59:58,940
twenty or thirty of us and we had a new

1376
01:00:04,420 --> 01:00:02,420
officer who was the duty officer that

1377
01:00:06,039 --> 01:00:04,430
night he was a Warrant Officer and a

1378
01:00:08,470 --> 01:00:06,049
warrant offers some kind of weird rank

1379
01:00:11,460 --> 01:00:08,480
between lieutenant captain and he was

1380
01:00:13,930 --> 01:00:11,470
down they never I never saw him before

1381
01:00:16,329 --> 01:00:13,940
but we're all standing out there and

1382
01:00:18,519 --> 01:00:16,339
we're watching this light big bright

1383
01:00:21,700 --> 01:00:18,529
light again coming from the jungle side

1384
01:00:25,660 --> 01:00:21,710
of the area towards the barns

1385
01:00:27,610 --> 01:00:25,670
and it was coming in such a way that we

1386
01:00:30,490 --> 01:00:27,620
could tell that it was descending it was

1387
01:00:32,890 --> 01:00:30,500
coming down and it got closer and closer

1388
01:00:33,340 --> 01:00:32,900
and everybody was just really really

1389
01:00:36,190 --> 01:00:33,350
quiet

1390
01:00:38,620 --> 01:00:36,200
and and then a couple guys got really

1391
01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:38,630
excited and frightened and somebody said

1392
01:00:42,700 --> 01:00:40,370
raised the missile bar admit raid them

1393
01:00:43,900 --> 01:00:42,710
raise the missiles well the missiles

1394
01:00:46,120 --> 01:00:43,910
were ground to ground they're not gonna

1395
01:00:48,160 --> 01:00:46,130
do any good to ground the air you know

1396
01:00:50,170 --> 01:00:48,170
but he was here he was just got are you

1397
01:00:53,620 --> 01:00:50,180
frightened and freaking out got closer

1398
01:00:54,850 --> 01:00:53,630
and closer and closer I one part I left

1399
01:00:58,510 --> 01:00:54,860
out of the story you remind when I

1400
01:01:01,630 --> 01:00:58,520
finish this I'll get back to it you got

1401
01:01:03,460 --> 01:01:01,640
closer closer and just as it was getting

1402
01:01:07,110 --> 01:01:03,470
closer the barn just started taking a

1403
01:01:09,370 --> 01:01:07,120
shape and where you can see a shape that

1404
01:01:13,810 --> 01:01:09,380
start begins part of the close

1405
01:01:16,510 --> 01:01:13,820
encounters of the second kind it was

1406
01:01:19,210 --> 01:01:16,520
going very very slowly humming and a

1407
01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:19,220
v-shape with a light I remember a light

1408
01:01:24,130 --> 01:01:20,810
on two sides it might have had a light

1409
01:01:26,500 --> 01:01:24,140
on all three sides and just crawled over

1410
01:01:29,050 --> 01:01:26,510
us I wrote about two I wrote my report

1411
01:01:30,850 --> 01:01:29,060
that it was about 200 feet high some

1412
01:01:33,730 --> 01:01:30,860
other guy said 55 I don't think it was

1413
01:01:35,860 --> 01:01:33,740
50 feet I and then somebody started

1414
01:01:38,230 --> 01:01:35,870
screaming and I turn around he was a

1415
01:01:39,970 --> 01:01:38,240
Warrant Officer it's just gone nuts

1416
01:01:43,390 --> 01:01:39,980
these guys were trying to hold him

1417
01:01:45,370 --> 01:01:43,400
waving his 45 around you know I you know

1418
01:01:47,470 --> 01:01:45,380
I want to say you know dude if they come

1419
01:01:51,520 --> 01:01:47,480
from another planet that 45 not gonna

1420
01:01:54,430 --> 01:01:51,530
stop but you know and they restrained

1421
01:01:56,620 --> 01:01:54,440
him and pulled him in in the shack about

1422
01:01:58,540 --> 01:01:56,630
30 minutes later van came and took him

1423
01:02:00,190 --> 01:01:58,550
away never saw him again

1424
01:02:01,660 --> 01:02:00,200
I know if he went to a mental

1425
01:02:05,710 --> 01:02:01,670
institution or they just transferred him

1426
01:02:09,220 --> 01:02:05,720
simply and the thing the object

1427
01:02:14,980 --> 01:02:09,230
continued over the jungle towards the

1428
01:02:17,650 --> 01:02:14,990
ocean and and was out of sight it was

1429
01:02:20,680 --> 01:02:17,660
then that we noticed that the jungle

1430
01:02:23,350 --> 01:02:20,690
sound was totally gone which is another

1431
01:02:26,530 --> 01:02:23,360
element of most encounters a second kind

1432
01:02:28,300 --> 01:02:26,540
that the noise was Clark I said

1433
01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:28,310
sometimes he'd almost be deafening he

1434
01:02:32,590 --> 01:02:29,210
was so loud

1435
01:02:35,050 --> 01:02:32,600
hmm and it was absolutely quiet and the

1436
01:02:35,470 --> 01:02:35,060
dogs were quiet oh eight dog used the

1437
01:02:36,850 --> 01:02:35,480
dogs

1438
01:02:39,790 --> 01:02:36,860
like with a missile guy sit down they're

1439
01:02:43,270 --> 01:02:39,800
going crazy all the time the dogs were

1440
01:02:45,250 --> 01:02:43,280
quiet at which items a dog handlers for

1441
01:02:48,730 --> 01:02:45,260
14 months I never heard the dog quiet

1442
01:02:51,310 --> 01:02:48,740
and so we a dog handlers I ran out to

1443
01:02:54,850 --> 01:02:51,320
the kennels the kennels were sloped

1444
01:02:56,080 --> 01:02:54,860
cement runs big fences between each dog

1445
01:02:59,470 --> 01:02:56,090
because the dogs would kill each other

1446
01:03:01,780 --> 01:02:59,480
and at the end of the top of the slope

1447
01:03:05,260 --> 01:03:01,790
was a doghouse sitting on a big

1448
01:03:07,900 --> 01:03:05,270
telephone post about telephone size long

1449
01:03:12,130 --> 01:03:07,910
about three feet off the ground

1450
01:03:15,220 --> 01:03:12,140
that's because of snakes oh and the dogs

1451
01:03:16,450 --> 01:03:15,230
had defecated all over not the little

1452
01:03:18,490 --> 01:03:16,460
pile like you pick up when you're

1453
01:03:21,130 --> 01:03:18,500
walking your dog and you put it this is

1454
01:03:23,680 --> 01:03:21,140
black all over the place I'd never seen

1455
01:03:26,320 --> 01:03:23,690
that all of them and they were all in

1456
01:03:31,510 --> 01:03:26,330
their dog house pushed back in a corner

1457
01:03:34,120 --> 01:03:31,520
and just shivering and my dog Fritz was

1458
01:03:36,700 --> 01:03:34,130
his name he could he could sense when I

1459
01:03:37,420 --> 01:03:36,710
was coming up and you know the dogs

1460
01:03:39,880 --> 01:03:37,430
changed to it

1461
01:03:41,350 --> 01:03:39,890
yeah there have been big we call it red

1462
01:03:44,170 --> 01:03:41,360
two dogs here at my house and become the

1463
01:03:45,700 --> 01:03:44,180
big boy bark when UPS guy comes to the

1464
01:03:48,430 --> 01:03:45,710
door and they Yap when we come to the

1465
01:03:50,290 --> 01:03:48,440
door so they know I thought he didn't

1466
01:03:52,450 --> 01:03:50,300
want to come out I did pulled his

1467
01:03:54,610 --> 01:03:52,460
90-pound self out and carry him out into

1468
01:03:58,140 --> 01:03:54,620
the grass and just hold him for a while

1469
01:04:01,000 --> 01:03:58,150
until he he started to return to normal

1470
01:04:06,100 --> 01:04:01,010
the part I left out happened about a

1471
01:04:08,050 --> 01:04:06,110
month before this and it was a boring

1472
01:04:09,910 --> 01:04:08,060
night and I was just dead tired so I

1473
01:04:13,900 --> 01:04:09,920
went to the kennel Shack which was next

1474
01:04:16,300 --> 01:04:13,910
to the kennel and I I stretched out on

1475
01:04:18,310 --> 01:04:16,310
the kennel on the counter where we mix a

1476
01:04:21,640 --> 01:04:18,320
dog food all that custom little window

1477
01:04:24,730 --> 01:04:21,650
there little 20 inch by 20 inch window

1478
01:04:27,880 --> 01:04:24,740
and looked out in the direction of our

1479
01:04:31,780 --> 01:04:27,890
living quarters a mile up the road but

1480
01:04:34,090 --> 01:04:31,790
we couldn't see if it's just jungle in

1481
01:04:35,620 --> 01:04:34,100
in the Everglades that cloud sometimes

1482
01:04:37,510 --> 01:04:35,630
there are very strange clouds I've only

1483
01:04:39,850 --> 01:04:37,520
seen in the tropics there's like little

1484
01:04:42,010 --> 01:04:39,860
puff balls and you have bare sky and

1485
01:04:43,690 --> 01:04:42,020
then a puff ball and sometimes those

1486
01:04:47,560 --> 01:04:43,700
puff balls would have their own little

1487
01:04:49,210 --> 01:04:47,570
storm and they're looking up and there's

1488
01:04:54,210 --> 01:04:49,220
this real spooky look

1489
01:04:59,130 --> 01:04:54,220
kind of puff ball in the sky between

1490
01:05:03,730 --> 01:04:59,140
where I was and where the base was and

1491
01:05:06,370 --> 01:05:03,740
at one point the outer edge of the cloud

1492
01:05:10,540 --> 01:05:06,380
lit up like a fluorescent light like a

1493
01:05:13,420 --> 01:05:10,550
just a bar of light hmm and I go whoa

1494
01:05:16,390 --> 01:05:13,430
and I kind of sit up and then this light

1495
01:05:21,400 --> 01:05:16,400
this uh straight down like this narrow

1496
01:05:23,910 --> 01:05:21,410
to wide hit the ground just once and

1497
01:05:26,320 --> 01:05:23,920
then went back up and disappeared I

1498
01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:26,330
jumped off the counter and ran outside

1499
01:05:32,290 --> 01:05:30,410
and the light was still gone and the

1500
01:05:34,660 --> 01:05:32,300
fluorescent light around the cloud was

1501
01:05:35,440 --> 01:05:34,670
still there and then it dissolve and

1502
01:05:38,140 --> 01:05:35,450
disappeared

1503
01:05:40,089 --> 01:05:38,150
I thought the light had shined down on

1504
01:05:43,410 --> 01:05:40,099
the where we lived because we had some

1505
01:05:48,520 --> 01:05:43,420
big radar dishes a great big you know

1506
01:05:49,900 --> 01:05:48,530
100-foot wide radar dishes there but no

1507
01:05:51,520 --> 01:05:49,910
one said up there said they saw anything

1508
01:05:55,210 --> 01:05:51,530
because they'd all been sleeping at that

1509
01:05:56,410 --> 01:05:55,220
time of night but we just wrote a report

1510
01:06:00,460 --> 01:05:56,420
and again it didn't hear anything about

1511
01:06:02,920 --> 01:06:00,470
it so the next day after I said after

1512
01:06:04,780 --> 01:06:02,930
the the big event where we came by it

1513
01:06:07,270 --> 01:06:04,790
over us the brass came out from

1514
01:06:11,020 --> 01:06:07,280
homestead Air Force Base and talked to

1515
01:06:12,940 --> 01:06:11,030
us and we've got information and there's

1516
01:06:16,540 --> 01:06:12,950
some serious brass there Colonels and

1517
01:06:18,190 --> 01:06:16,550
and they told us uh well we understand

1518
01:06:20,230 --> 01:06:18,200
you had a little problem last night you

1519
01:06:23,050 --> 01:06:20,240
know trying to play it down and and he

1520
01:06:25,630 --> 01:06:23,060
says uh just keep writing your reports

1521
01:06:30,040 --> 01:06:25,640
we're getting them and don't shoot at

1522
01:06:33,310 --> 01:06:30,050
them and uh don't write home or don't

1523
01:06:34,660 --> 01:06:33,320
call home and tell your family and as

1524
01:06:37,089 --> 01:06:34,670
soon as they drove off we were all

1525
01:06:40,570 --> 01:06:37,099
fighting over the but one pay phone you

1526
01:06:43,240 --> 01:06:40,580
know for six all tell our moms that get

1527
01:06:45,400 --> 01:06:43,250
us out of there and that and some other

1528
01:06:48,250 --> 01:06:45,410
just creepy things that that happened

1529
01:06:52,120 --> 01:06:48,260
down there I went in and volunteered for

1530
01:06:55,300 --> 01:06:52,130
Vietnam and the no surprise I got it you

1531
01:06:56,890 --> 01:06:55,310
know but let's talk about now the crap

1532
01:06:59,710 --> 01:06:56,900
that went over when you said it was

1533
01:07:02,809 --> 01:06:59,720
humming that is really common you hear

1534
01:07:06,620 --> 01:07:02,819
that a lot when it comes to the triangle

1535
01:07:08,299 --> 01:07:06,630
UFOs because either they're silent or

1536
01:07:09,589 --> 01:07:08,309
they're humming you know I mean that's

1537
01:07:11,779 --> 01:07:09,599
and I hadn't learned that because they

1538
01:07:13,130 --> 01:07:11,789
hadn't followed any UFO stuff I remember

1539
01:07:15,589 --> 01:07:13,140
it well as a kid there was a lot of

1540
01:07:18,079 --> 01:07:15,599
stuff going on in the 50s I remember my

1541
01:07:21,199 --> 01:07:18,089
mother was real into it and I never

1542
01:07:24,529 --> 01:07:21,209
heard anything about triangles or noise

1543
01:07:26,900 --> 01:07:24,539
or or that light two or three years

1544
01:07:29,269 --> 01:07:26,910
later I was home I went to a movie to

1545
01:07:31,519 --> 01:07:29,279
see Close Encounters of the Third Kind

1546
01:07:33,469 --> 01:07:31,529
with a buddy and there's that scene

1547
01:07:34,939 --> 01:07:33,479
where Richard Dreyfuss gets lit up with

1548
01:07:36,799 --> 01:07:34,949
that kind of light at the railroad track

1549
01:07:38,989 --> 01:07:36,809
yeah yeah the railroad tracks and I

1550
01:07:40,579 --> 01:07:38,999
remember I I think I literally stood up

1551
01:07:42,140 --> 01:07:40,589
in the theater I go that's when I

1552
01:07:44,569 --> 01:07:42,150
thought of my buddy and he pulled me

1553
01:07:48,079 --> 01:07:44,579
back down in the scene I know I said

1554
01:07:49,189 --> 01:07:48,089
that's it that's what I saw and so you

1555
01:07:52,219 --> 01:07:49,199
know who ever wrote

1556
01:07:55,400 --> 01:07:52,229
Close Encounters I'm sure they did a lot

1557
01:07:58,159 --> 01:07:55,410
of queries to people have had

1558
01:08:00,559 --> 01:07:58,169
experiences you know yeah they got that

1559
01:08:04,099 --> 01:08:00,569
you know well Steven Spielberg actually

1560
01:08:04,609 --> 01:08:04,109
hired J Allen Hynek so there you go

1561
01:08:08,059 --> 01:08:04,619
right there

1562
01:08:11,329 --> 01:08:08,069
oh the guy who ya end up with all those

1563
01:08:12,949 --> 01:08:11,339
things yeah yeah yeah so what about the

1564
01:08:14,689 --> 01:08:12,959
lights wouldn't what kind of lights did

1565
01:08:15,829 --> 01:08:14,699
were there lights on the craft and if so

1566
01:08:17,749 --> 01:08:15,839
what kind of lights were they

1567
01:08:21,740 --> 01:08:17,759
yeah there were at least two in my

1568
01:08:23,359 --> 01:08:21,750
memory and I I don't want to my memory

1569
01:08:25,419 --> 01:08:23,369
to fill in stuff that wasn't there but

1570
01:08:27,559 --> 01:08:25,429
yeah I remember two lights and I

1571
01:08:28,939 --> 01:08:27,569
remember they weren't white which would

1572
01:08:30,349 --> 01:08:28,949
indicate to me they were must have been

1573
01:08:32,359 --> 01:08:30,359
some kind of color but I don't remember

1574
01:08:34,669 --> 01:08:32,369
a color and they're very small the

1575
01:08:36,799 --> 01:08:34,679
lights were very small and the and the

1576
01:08:40,849 --> 01:08:36,809
craft for being as large it was he was

1577
01:08:43,280 --> 01:08:40,859
very large was going very slow lots of

1578
01:08:47,059 --> 01:08:43,290
varies there but it was very large and

1579
01:08:48,049 --> 01:08:47,069
very slow and this was wonder how

1580
01:08:51,979 --> 01:08:48,059
something like that would maintain

1581
01:08:55,120 --> 01:08:51,989
altitude yeah yeah you know and a lot of

1582
01:08:57,559 --> 01:08:55,130
people will say well today when they see

1583
01:08:59,959 --> 01:08:57,569
triangle UFOs people say well they're

1584
01:09:02,510 --> 01:08:59,969
probably some secret military project

1585
01:09:05,059 --> 01:09:02,520
that we don't know about yet type of

1586
01:09:09,169 --> 01:09:05,069
thing but you're talking this is 1969

1587
01:09:12,200 --> 01:09:09,179
this is 60 67 yeah yeah we have prop

1588
01:09:13,549 --> 01:09:12,210
planes mostly yeah no really no over

1589
01:09:14,930 --> 01:09:13,559
there yeah no I didn't have anything

1590
01:09:16,579 --> 01:09:14,940
like that I'm sure they didn't sell

1591
01:09:17,599 --> 01:09:16,589
right well I don't know what do I

1592
01:09:20,269 --> 01:09:17,609
I didn't only think about the airforce

1593
01:09:22,700 --> 01:09:20,279
though yeah it's hard to hard to say but

1594
01:09:23,720 --> 01:09:22,710
back then you know I I find it would be

1595
01:09:26,390 --> 01:09:23,730
kind of strange that they'd have

1596
01:09:29,740 --> 01:09:26,400
something like that that might tell us

1597
01:09:32,479 --> 01:09:29,750
and not tell us they cause a near panic

1598
01:09:33,800 --> 01:09:32,489
yeah you know one Warrant Officer in

1599
01:09:36,379 --> 01:09:33,810
particular and other guys were really

1600
01:09:38,990 --> 01:09:36,389
super frightened about it and then a

1601
01:09:40,939 --> 01:09:39,000
shine a light down and then to come over

1602
01:09:43,490 --> 01:09:40,949
our missiles you know they're yeah

1603
01:09:45,019 --> 01:09:43,500
you're trusting that army guy he's not

1604
01:09:47,899 --> 01:09:45,029
going to fire on you if you're coming

1605
01:09:51,740 --> 01:09:47,909
right over our missiles now you called I

1606
01:09:54,140 --> 01:09:51,750
read your story and you called your your

1607
01:09:56,240 --> 01:09:54,150
parents and your mother was concerned

1608
01:09:59,570 --> 01:09:56,250
for you wasn't she yeah she was

1609
01:10:02,089 --> 01:09:59,580
concerned because she was you know she

1610
01:10:04,879 --> 01:10:02,099
she followed your folks back into 50 so

1611
01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:04,889
that was you know 12 years earlier she

1612
01:10:09,530 --> 01:10:08,010
followed it and and and i remember

1613
01:10:10,910 --> 01:10:09,540
magazines laying around our house about

1614
01:10:14,359 --> 01:10:10,920
ufos or something you're really

1615
01:10:16,700 --> 01:10:14,369
over-the-top stuff but uh men and black

1616
01:10:18,320 --> 01:10:16,710
and all that sort of thing that yeah she

1617
01:10:20,600 --> 01:10:18,330
was just be concerned but it's not like

1618
01:10:21,950 --> 01:10:20,610
now we can call your mother and they'll

1619
01:10:24,500 --> 01:10:21,960
go to the congressman in those days you

1620
01:10:27,649 --> 01:10:24,510
know you're screwed you know what you

1621
01:10:30,070 --> 01:10:27,659
can't do it like that so as she I said I

1622
01:10:35,450 --> 01:10:30,080
will be safe you know I said okay so

1623
01:10:37,490 --> 01:10:35,460
when I got to DC a couple months later I

1624
01:10:40,459 --> 01:10:37,500
saw a newspaper on a counter in one of

1625
01:10:43,790 --> 01:10:40,469
the offices there and there was a story

1626
01:10:46,339 --> 01:10:43,800
about people in Miami which was about 35

1627
01:10:51,140 --> 01:10:46,349
miles away I was little further about 40

1628
01:10:53,540 --> 01:10:51,150
miles sunbathing and clear blue day and

1629
01:10:56,959 --> 01:10:53,550
they heard some really loud crackling up

1630
01:10:59,510 --> 01:10:56,969
in the sky and they they all ran and

1631
01:11:01,070 --> 01:10:59,520
were frightened and and there's never

1632
01:11:03,200 --> 01:11:01,080
any follow-up I didn't see any follow up

1633
01:11:05,510 --> 01:11:03,210
on this story at all I was gonna ask you

1634
01:11:07,939 --> 01:11:05,520
if you're more knowledgeable on this and

1635
01:11:10,520 --> 01:11:07,949
I am I have heard that some people

1636
01:11:12,770 --> 01:11:10,530
believe that the Everglades are a really

1637
01:11:17,660 --> 01:11:12,780
good place for a UFO basis because they

1638
01:11:20,390 --> 01:11:17,670
can just submerge in that swamp yeah you

1639
01:11:22,129 --> 01:11:20,400
know that I don't know anything actually

1640
01:11:24,740 --> 01:11:22,139
in particular about that you know our

1641
01:11:28,820 --> 01:11:24,750
guest last week was talking about you

1642
01:11:32,030 --> 01:11:28,830
SOS you know submerge objects

1643
01:11:33,650 --> 01:11:32,040
but mostly in California but I don't

1644
01:11:36,470 --> 01:11:33,660
know about that in particular I do know

1645
01:11:38,990 --> 01:11:36,480
that Florida does have a lot of UFO

1646
01:11:41,210 --> 01:11:39,000
sightings that and has for a number of

1647
01:11:44,090 --> 01:11:41,220
years there's a there's a number of

1648
01:11:44,600 --> 01:11:44,100
famous cases controversial case there

1649
01:11:46,760 --> 01:11:44,610
too

1650
01:11:50,320 --> 01:11:46,770
whether it really happened or not but

1651
01:11:53,900 --> 01:11:50,330
well I gave a talk to a group of

1652
01:11:56,750 --> 01:11:53,910
paranormal enthusiasts here a couple of

1653
01:12:00,170 --> 01:11:56,760
about six weeks ago at a place called

1654
01:12:02,540 --> 01:12:00,180
paranoia paranormal pub and it was

1655
01:12:05,600 --> 01:12:02,550
pretty it was a nice place and then some

1656
01:12:10,250 --> 01:12:05,610
MUFON people there and they asked the

1657
01:12:13,040 --> 01:12:10,260
dates of my observation which is kind of

1658
01:12:13,550 --> 01:12:13,050
spread out like over two or three month

1659
01:12:15,590 --> 01:12:13,560
period

1660
01:12:17,180 --> 01:12:15,600
anyway they they went to some I said I

1661
01:12:19,190 --> 01:12:17,190
told him I said I found I can't remember

1662
01:12:22,670 --> 01:12:19,200
now where I found it online but I found

1663
01:12:26,090 --> 01:12:22,680
a place online where some UFOs were

1664
01:12:31,070 --> 01:12:26,100
observed in the Florida Keys in 69 when

1665
01:12:32,840 --> 01:12:31,080
I was there mmm late 68 to 69 and that

1666
01:12:37,340 --> 01:12:32,850
he went to another place that he found

1667
01:12:38,810 --> 01:12:37,350
several and I can't remember I thought I

1668
01:12:42,050 --> 01:12:38,820
wrote it down but I can't remember it

1669
01:12:43,460 --> 01:12:42,060
was another web site where they you can

1670
01:12:45,910 --> 01:12:43,470
you can just run your dates and they'll

1671
01:12:48,470 --> 01:12:45,920
tell you where the sightings are and

1672
01:12:49,790 --> 01:12:48,480
what happened you know yeah but there's

1673
01:12:53,360 --> 01:12:49,800
pretty is pretty basic it was just

1674
01:12:55,970 --> 01:12:53,370
basically an entry mmm that your folks

1675
01:12:57,860 --> 01:12:55,980
are seen there you know uh-huh yeah not

1676
01:12:59,150 --> 01:12:57,870
that not that young soldier boys are

1677
01:13:01,220 --> 01:12:59,160
scared out of their wit's nothing about

1678
01:13:03,860 --> 01:13:01,230
that well it's funny because it's not

1679
01:13:06,380 --> 01:13:03,870
you're talking about until you get out

1680
01:13:08,960 --> 01:13:06,390
to Key Largo whatever the key was you

1681
01:13:12,950 --> 01:13:08,970
said there you're in kind of a very low

1682
01:13:15,440 --> 01:13:12,960
populated area where the military base

1683
01:13:18,440 --> 01:13:15,450
was right I mean and also more so now

1684
01:13:22,010 --> 01:13:18,450
there's a yeah there was just jungle and

1685
01:13:24,590 --> 01:13:22,020
now I think it was about ten years after

1686
01:13:27,830 --> 01:13:24,600
this I was out of the army and I had a

1687
01:13:32,690 --> 01:13:27,840
eight hour layover in Miami so I rented

1688
01:13:36,500 --> 01:13:32,700
a car and you know I did a year in

1689
01:13:38,630 --> 01:13:36,510
Vietnam what was wasn't a fun year but I

1690
01:13:41,240 --> 01:13:38,640
dreamt for years I dreamt more about

1691
01:13:42,720 --> 01:13:41,250
Florida than I jumped about Vietnam it's

1692
01:13:44,160 --> 01:13:42,730
kind of strange but but

1693
01:13:46,680 --> 01:13:44,170
wanted to go back out and just kind of

1694
01:13:48,300 --> 01:13:46,690
make contact with that place and things

1695
01:13:52,260 --> 01:13:48,310
have changed you know the road was I

1696
01:13:56,310 --> 01:13:52,270
think it was at Tulane then and went out

1697
01:13:59,400 --> 01:13:56,320
and I and I I stopped at the where the

1698
01:14:01,650 --> 01:13:59,410
missiles were and everything was in

1699
01:14:03,300 --> 01:14:01,660
ruins now the grass growing up through

1700
01:14:05,070 --> 01:14:03,310
the cracks of this amount and broken

1701
01:14:08,250 --> 01:14:05,080
windows and stuff but there's still a

1702
01:14:09,570 --> 01:14:08,260
couple of MPs there and they they saw me

1703
01:14:11,070 --> 01:14:09,580
at the fence and they came out and you

1704
01:14:12,840 --> 01:14:11,080
know what do you want and I said you

1705
01:14:16,530 --> 01:14:12,850
know take it easy I'll just I was here

1706
01:14:18,060 --> 01:14:16,540
ten years ago and um and they go okay

1707
01:14:22,410 --> 01:14:18,070
and I said can I come in look around I

1708
01:14:25,500 --> 01:14:22,420
go no all right so I said okay let me I

1709
01:14:27,420 --> 01:14:25,510
gave him a brief story what what

1710
01:14:29,010 --> 01:14:27,430
happened and I said there's other things

1711
01:14:31,770 --> 01:14:29,020
where we had some just bizarre

1712
01:14:34,560 --> 01:14:31,780
experiences that we all have all felt

1713
01:14:37,890 --> 01:14:34,570
and I said is anything I didn't get the

1714
01:14:40,350 --> 01:14:37,900
question guys man this place is is

1715
01:14:41,810 --> 01:14:40,360
really creepy and we are so glad I guess

1716
01:14:45,210 --> 01:14:41,820
they were tearing it down the next day

1717
01:14:48,630 --> 01:14:45,220
and talk about luck and attorney said

1718
01:14:50,190 --> 01:14:48,640
yeah we're gonna be glad to to get out

1719
01:14:52,050 --> 01:14:50,200
of here and he said the place was just

1720
01:14:54,090 --> 01:14:52,060
really creepy and I said UFOs and he's

1721
01:14:56,760 --> 01:14:54,100
not as it's all he said and I saw a

1722
01:14:59,010 --> 01:14:56,770
thing I looked up the base online here a

1723
01:15:01,950 --> 01:14:59,020
while back and some of it's still there

1724
01:15:03,960 --> 01:15:01,960
but it's the the jungle funny took it

1725
01:15:06,200 --> 01:15:03,970
back now you can see a little part of a

1726
01:15:09,210 --> 01:15:06,210
radar dish sticking out here and a

1727
01:15:12,300 --> 01:15:09,220
rooftop over here and one of the

1728
01:15:13,860 --> 01:15:12,310
buildings you know at night I remember I

1729
01:15:16,590 --> 01:15:13,870
don't remember if it was Bravo Company

1730
01:15:20,190 --> 01:15:16,600
because I saw some all four companies

1731
01:15:21,720 --> 01:15:20,200
were virtually identical so as sometimes

1732
01:15:25,380 --> 01:15:21,730
I thought I was looking at Bravo Company

1733
01:15:28,530 --> 01:15:25,390
I was looking at a company but one

1734
01:15:31,260 --> 01:15:28,540
building was called UFO headquarters of

1735
01:15:34,380 --> 01:15:31,270
UFO building or something so apparently

1736
01:15:35,850 --> 01:15:34,390
you know some other people had had

1737
01:15:37,830 --> 01:15:35,860
experiences enough to name a building

1738
01:15:40,740 --> 01:15:37,840
after it you know so well that's

1739
01:15:42,630 --> 01:15:40,750
something now is anywhere is that right

1740
01:15:44,070 --> 01:15:42,640
off of like Alligator Alley

1741
01:15:48,270 --> 01:15:44,080
that goes across that road that goes

1742
01:15:50,430 --> 01:15:48,280
across the very bottom of Florida they

1743
01:15:52,470 --> 01:15:50,440
might or is it is it something there I'm

1744
01:15:54,720 --> 01:15:52,480
just trying to picture where it is Key

1745
01:15:56,550 --> 01:15:54,730
Largo is is the very first keys oh it is

1746
01:15:58,980 --> 01:15:56,560
it's actually on Key Largo

1747
01:16:00,720 --> 01:15:58,990
yeah it's Key Largo and you just enter

1748
01:16:03,840 --> 01:16:00,730
just enter there's the Key Largo sign

1749
01:16:05,220 --> 01:16:03,850
you hang a left and it's probably a it's

1750
01:16:08,720 --> 01:16:05,230
not in ninety degree it's probably a

1751
01:16:11,130 --> 01:16:08,730
hundred degree turn and you can almost

1752
01:16:15,030 --> 01:16:11,140
passing yourself but kind of diagonally

1753
01:16:16,890 --> 01:16:15,040
and there was a resort if this helps it

1754
01:16:20,280 --> 01:16:16,900
was resort about and I never got down

1755
01:16:22,200 --> 01:16:20,290
there three miles down from our military

1756
01:16:25,800 --> 01:16:22,210
base that was owned by Jackie Gleason

1757
01:16:29,750 --> 01:16:25,810
hmm yeah a couple of guys worked down

1758
01:16:32,460 --> 01:16:29,760
there working on sailboats and stuff but

1759
01:16:34,860 --> 01:16:32,470
yeah that's a character that was into

1760
01:16:35,940 --> 01:16:34,870
UFOs Jackie Gleason wasn't know if you

1761
01:16:38,550 --> 01:16:35,950
knew that oh no

1762
01:16:40,680 --> 01:16:38,560
well maybe I saw down there because that

1763
01:16:41,910 --> 01:16:40,690
was his resort yet have a million bucks

1764
01:16:44,790 --> 01:16:41,920
which there's a lot of money back then

1765
01:16:50,130 --> 01:16:44,800
and a million bucks bucks to belong to

1766
01:16:51,960 --> 01:16:50,140
it well how about that we have yep we

1767
01:16:54,570 --> 01:16:51,970
have the line open if anyone wants to

1768
01:16:57,420 --> 01:16:54,580
call in and ask a question that numbers

1769
01:17:01,800 --> 01:16:57,430
up on the screen on YouTube right now if

1770
01:17:03,660 --> 01:17:01,810
anyone would like to call in so if

1771
01:17:05,430 --> 01:17:03,670
someone does call in what I'll do is

1772
01:17:08,040 --> 01:17:05,440
I'll take the call and just wait for a

1773
01:17:10,530 --> 01:17:08,050
break but if you are calling and make

1774
01:17:11,970 --> 01:17:10,540
sure you turn to the volume down you'll

1775
01:17:16,050 --> 01:17:11,980
hear us but make sure you turn the

1776
01:17:18,690 --> 01:17:16,060
volume down on your computer so as far

1777
01:17:21,840 --> 01:17:18,700
as that's the only sighting I mean not

1778
01:17:23,970 --> 01:17:21,850
that that wasn't a great sighting but

1779
01:17:25,590 --> 01:17:23,980
that's the only incidences that you had

1780
01:17:30,180 --> 01:17:25,600
we have someone actually calling in

1781
01:17:34,080 --> 01:17:30,190
right now so hang on and it's a former

1782
01:17:36,690 --> 01:17:34,090
police officer I believe Donnie hey

1783
01:17:38,820 --> 01:17:36,700
Martin how are you good Donnie has

1784
01:17:42,630 --> 01:17:38,830
actually come in studio here a couple

1785
01:17:45,000 --> 01:17:42,640
times his he has a place down on the

1786
01:17:48,360 --> 01:17:45,010
lake right where right where I live here

1787
01:17:52,020 --> 01:17:48,370
in Maine so he's a former Boston police

1788
01:17:54,150 --> 01:17:52,030
officer Donnie oh I saw you yeah this is

1789
01:17:55,320 --> 01:17:54,160
Laurie Watson have you been listening to

1790
01:17:58,380 --> 01:17:55,330
the show you're in Guatemala right

1791
01:18:00,690 --> 01:17:58,390
Donnie I am right now and wah tomales

1792
01:18:02,870 --> 01:18:00,700
ility yeah I easily win the award for

1793
01:18:04,980 --> 01:18:02,880
the longest distance caller of the night

1794
01:18:07,530 --> 01:18:04,990
so far yeah

1795
01:18:08,930 --> 01:18:07,540
hey Lauren I just wanted first of all I

1796
01:18:10,109 --> 01:18:08,940
just want to say thanks you know I've

1797
01:18:13,589 --> 01:18:10,119
seen

1798
01:18:17,159 --> 01:18:13,599
about PTSD for police officers of

1799
01:18:19,099 --> 01:18:17,169
wellness police officers and you know we

1800
01:18:21,299 --> 01:18:19,109
come from a profession where

1801
01:18:22,709 --> 01:18:21,309
unfortunately because of the stresses of

1802
01:18:24,329 --> 01:18:22,719
the job and the things that we have to

1803
01:18:26,939 --> 01:18:24,339
deal with the horrors that we have to

1804
01:18:30,209 --> 01:18:26,949
see we don't tend to live very long

1805
01:18:35,790 --> 01:18:30,219
after retirement so I am thankful that

1806
01:18:38,309 --> 01:18:35,800
you for your work you know but I want to

1807
01:18:40,319 --> 01:18:38,319
ask you I thought you wrote a you wrote

1808
01:18:43,049 --> 01:18:40,329
a book about you know experiences that

1809
01:18:46,079 --> 01:18:43,059
some of us within you know within the

1810
01:18:49,500 --> 01:18:46,089
brotherhood or sisterhood as well have

1811
01:18:52,469 --> 01:18:49,510
had with what these type of things and I

1812
01:18:54,899 --> 01:18:52,479
want to ask you wouldn't it be a good

1813
01:18:57,750 --> 01:18:54,909
idea I mean if somebody went out there

1814
01:18:59,520 --> 01:18:57,760
and established a website for those of

1815
01:19:02,069 --> 01:18:59,530
us you know the brothers and sisters in

1816
01:19:04,439 --> 01:19:02,079
uniform to be able to go someplace and

1817
01:19:06,479 --> 01:19:04,449
report things that we've seen then we

1818
01:19:09,389 --> 01:19:06,489
wouldn't normally report through regular

1819
01:19:13,259 --> 01:19:09,399
channels something like aviators have

1820
01:19:15,089 --> 01:19:13,269
non cap I think it's not cap but there's

1821
01:19:16,949 --> 01:19:15,099
literally nothing in the United States

1822
01:19:18,419 --> 01:19:16,959
that I'm aware of and Martin you know

1823
01:19:19,919 --> 01:19:18,429
you you wouldn't know better than I but

1824
01:19:20,959 --> 01:19:19,929
I don't think there's anything out there

1825
01:19:23,609 --> 01:19:20,969
yeah

1826
01:19:26,159 --> 01:19:23,619
I've thought about doing a Facebook page

1827
01:19:27,989 --> 01:19:26,169
and then decided against it but but

1828
01:19:28,919 --> 01:19:27,999
having a website quite frankly I never

1829
01:19:29,939 --> 01:19:28,929
thought about that I think it's a

1830
01:19:33,270 --> 01:19:29,949
fantastic idea

1831
01:19:36,409 --> 01:19:33,280
you know some of my buddies when I talk

1832
01:19:39,509 --> 01:19:36,419
about I told them I was going to do this

1833
01:19:41,849 --> 01:19:39,519
closing care of cops true stories of the

1834
01:19:43,439 --> 01:19:41,859
paranormal they told me you know you got

1835
01:19:45,449 --> 01:19:43,449
this reputation you you know you wrote

1836
01:19:47,309 --> 01:19:45,459
on combat and a couple of these others

1837
01:19:50,699 --> 01:19:47,319
that help cops and you're going to ruin

1838
01:19:52,379 --> 01:19:50,709
your reputation and I talked to I'm sure

1839
01:19:53,819 --> 01:19:52,389
you know lieutenant Dave Grossman I

1840
01:19:57,029 --> 01:19:53,829
talked to him and my co-author and he

1841
01:19:59,279 --> 01:19:57,039
says just do it and and that was never

1842
01:20:00,929 --> 01:19:59,289
an issue and like I don't heard that

1843
01:20:03,329 --> 01:20:00,939
from the very beginning I nothing but

1844
01:20:05,279 --> 01:20:03,339
cops getting a hold of me telling me

1845
01:20:07,049 --> 01:20:05,289
their stories years old I never asked

1846
01:20:09,270 --> 01:20:07,059
why they wanted to tell a story but my

1847
01:20:12,029 --> 01:20:09,280
sense was they wanted to get it off the

1848
01:20:13,770 --> 01:20:12,039
chest suggest he also it's gonna listen

1849
01:20:15,629 --> 01:20:13,780
to us really because if you go back to

1850
01:20:17,819 --> 01:20:15,639
them you go back to the station house

1851
01:20:20,699 --> 01:20:17,829
and you start to tell people when you

1852
01:20:22,709 --> 01:20:20,709
when you saw be kind of they're gonna

1853
01:20:23,840 --> 01:20:22,719
chase you around with a butterfly net

1854
01:20:26,560 --> 01:20:23,850
yeah you

1855
01:20:29,390 --> 01:20:26,570
telling it roll call that's for sure and

1856
01:20:32,180 --> 01:20:29,400
one of the guys in the story in the book

1857
01:20:34,670 --> 01:20:32,190
had incident up and the Great Lakes

1858
01:20:38,570 --> 01:20:34,680
actually was another vanishing story and

1859
01:20:40,010 --> 01:20:38,580
uh he didn't find a guy the guy vanished

1860
01:20:43,760 --> 01:20:40,020
right in front he's right right in his

1861
01:20:45,080 --> 01:20:43,770
hood and so the next day all the guys at

1862
01:20:47,240 --> 01:20:45,090
roll call you know they gave him a whole

1863
01:20:49,970 --> 01:20:47,250
bunch of lip about it but after him

1864
01:20:54,080 --> 01:20:49,980
everybody got into cars and took off one

1865
01:20:55,880 --> 01:20:54,090
old-timer stayed behind and said anybody

1866
01:20:58,550 --> 01:20:55,890
that's worked this area long enough they

1867
01:21:00,650 --> 01:20:58,560
never drive that road they only go up

1868
01:21:02,210 --> 01:21:00,660
there is if they're you know as an

1869
01:21:04,270 --> 01:21:02,220
accident or something but they stay off

1870
01:21:08,450 --> 01:21:04,280
that road because everyone has had

1871
01:21:09,620 --> 01:21:08,460
experiences up there so so that's the

1872
01:21:11,660 --> 01:21:09,630
kind of a deal where it like you said

1873
01:21:13,280 --> 01:21:11,670
you don't tell them that roll call you

1874
01:21:15,440 --> 01:21:13,290
just tell it to a couple of guys you

1875
01:21:17,300 --> 01:21:15,450
know that our may be sensitive or that

1876
01:21:19,550 --> 01:21:17,310
kind of thing but you really opening

1877
01:21:21,500 --> 01:21:19,560
yourself up to criticism criticism and

1878
01:21:22,640 --> 01:21:21,510
some make some may believe you but

1879
01:21:23,990 --> 01:21:22,650
they're gonna criticize it because

1880
01:21:25,550 --> 01:21:24,000
that's just part of the that's the

1881
01:21:27,320 --> 01:21:25,560
nature of the beast with offense that's

1882
01:21:29,360 --> 01:21:27,330
the nature of the job you know I mean

1883
01:21:30,860 --> 01:21:29,370
before I before I hang up and pass along

1884
01:21:34,130 --> 01:21:30,870
to another call I just want to leave you

1885
01:21:36,890 --> 01:21:34,140
with this last question and that is can

1886
01:21:38,750 --> 01:21:36,900
you think of a case that that's come to

1887
01:21:41,000 --> 01:21:38,760
your attention with the exception of the

1888
01:21:42,560 --> 01:21:41,010
one famous one of the the two famous

1889
01:21:44,120 --> 01:21:42,570
ones in the Midwest the one where the

1890
01:21:45,890 --> 01:21:44,130
thing flew over the guy's car and

1891
01:21:48,530 --> 01:21:45,900
actually creased over his UHF antenna

1892
01:21:51,170 --> 01:21:48,540
that's one that we can you know that the

1893
01:21:52,430 --> 01:21:51,180
it's already out there the other one is

1894
01:21:55,070 --> 01:21:52,440
the one that crossed over I think

1895
01:21:57,800 --> 01:21:55,080
crossed over like southern Illinois into

1896
01:21:59,870 --> 01:21:57,810
Missouri and they chased it all over up

1897
01:22:03,140 --> 01:21:59,880
and down different counties and and one

1898
01:22:05,810 --> 01:22:03,150
guy even whipped out his his his traffic

1899
01:22:08,030 --> 01:22:05,820
radar clocked in on radar doing about

1900
01:22:10,190 --> 01:22:08,040
forty some odd miles an hour and it was

1901
01:22:12,280 --> 01:22:10,200
a massive thing whatever the hell it was

1902
01:22:15,800 --> 01:22:12,290
and but can you think of any other

1903
01:22:18,170 --> 01:22:15,810
police recorded phenomenon that's come

1904
01:22:20,630 --> 01:22:18,180
to your attention that there might be

1905
01:22:22,760 --> 01:22:20,640
worthy to share with with us listeners

1906
01:22:25,400 --> 01:22:22,770
and I'll go ahead and you know okay all

1907
01:22:28,520 --> 01:22:25,410
right Donnie thanks people you bet all

1908
01:22:30,020 --> 01:22:28,530
right yeah well I've seen my public like

1909
01:22:33,320 --> 01:22:30,030
you I've seen them on some of the

1910
01:22:36,650 --> 01:22:33,330
paranormal shows and to include

1911
01:22:37,650 --> 01:22:36,660
reenactments I have got a story that

1912
01:22:43,710 --> 01:22:37,660
I'll have put in the

1913
01:22:46,410 --> 01:22:43,720
book winning I hope I can do it about

1914
01:22:48,300 --> 01:22:46,420
and again I got the story I told the guy

1915
01:22:51,360 --> 01:22:48,310
it's great I filed it and I haven't

1916
01:22:55,860 --> 01:22:51,370
looked at it for a while so just in the

1917
01:22:59,580 --> 01:22:55,870
essence of it is a UFO passed over the

1918
01:23:03,150 --> 01:22:59,590
guy over the cop he chased it and

1919
01:23:05,940 --> 01:23:03,160
another card in that officer quit not

1920
01:23:08,160 --> 01:23:05,950
too long after and they chased it for

1921
01:23:11,310 --> 01:23:08,170
some distance they got it there 80 90

1922
01:23:12,750 --> 01:23:11,320
miles an hour and then it made it a BAM

1923
01:23:14,940 --> 01:23:12,760
he just went right back the other

1924
01:23:17,940 --> 01:23:14,950
direction and they by the time they

1925
01:23:19,950 --> 01:23:17,950
could turn around they had lost it

1926
01:23:22,980 --> 01:23:19,960
so that story probably with some

1927
01:23:24,780 --> 01:23:22,990
additional details that I can't recall

1928
01:23:27,060 --> 01:23:24,790
right now because I was going to talk

1929
01:23:30,510 --> 01:23:27,070
about it but uh that wouldn't be in the

1930
01:23:32,640 --> 01:23:30,520
second book but that that's in fact I I

1931
01:23:36,180 --> 01:23:32,650
was trying to remember if the guy had a

1932
01:23:37,770 --> 01:23:36,190
radar or not but uh but he said that he

1933
01:23:39,570 --> 01:23:37,780
was doing 90 miles an hour so I would

1934
01:23:42,300 --> 01:23:39,580
think that would indicate that he didn't

1935
01:23:45,390 --> 01:23:42,310
have a radar if if he's doing 90 and I

1936
01:23:50,480 --> 01:23:45,400
think your caller said 40 miles an hour

1937
01:23:53,940 --> 01:23:50,490
so hmm my guy had a fight faster chase

1938
01:23:55,560 --> 01:23:53,950
well 40 miles an hour is odd because how

1939
01:23:56,850 --> 01:23:55,570
can something stay airborne you know

1940
01:23:59,430 --> 01:23:56,860
right that's right that's the thing

1941
01:24:02,400 --> 01:23:59,440
that's really odd about that so that was

1942
01:24:03,390 --> 01:24:02,410
a sheriff Val Johnson that incident I

1943
01:24:08,130 --> 01:24:03,400
don't know if you've ever heard about

1944
01:24:11,280 --> 01:24:08,140
that uh-huh and in Minnesota it was

1945
01:24:12,210 --> 01:24:11,290
actually if you've heard of it if it's

1946
01:24:12,960 --> 01:24:12,220
been on some of those shows that

1947
01:24:15,150 --> 01:24:12,970
probably did yeah

1948
01:24:16,830 --> 01:24:15,160
I don't remember the names you know yeah

1949
01:24:19,110 --> 01:24:16,840
that's right so the lines are open if

1950
01:24:21,180 --> 01:24:19,120
anyone else wants to call in and also

1951
01:24:24,810 --> 01:24:21,190
I'll try to glance at chat to see if

1952
01:24:30,420 --> 01:24:24,820
there's any questions up on there so if

1953
01:24:34,230 --> 01:24:30,430
you had to if you had to guess on what

1954
01:24:37,950 --> 01:24:34,240
these things actually are and I want to

1955
01:24:39,750 --> 01:24:37,960
talk about first of all you have some

1956
01:24:42,090 --> 01:24:39,760
experiences and you're you're the

1957
01:24:45,140 --> 01:24:42,100
writers of this book that sentence

1958
01:24:47,880 --> 01:24:45,150
stories had some ghost experiences but

1959
01:24:49,410 --> 01:24:47,890
have you ever pondered what these well

1960
01:24:51,299 --> 01:24:49,420
we actually have a call coming any ready

1961
01:24:55,740 --> 01:24:51,309
to take another call

1962
01:24:56,910 --> 01:24:55,750
sir all right here we go caller your

1963
01:24:57,890 --> 01:24:56,920
first name and where are you calling

1964
01:25:03,299 --> 01:24:57,900
from

1965
01:25:03,839 --> 01:25:03,309
Martin hey Bobby how you doing I'm doing

1966
01:25:06,120 --> 01:25:03,849
great

1967
01:25:07,620 --> 01:25:06,130
first of all I wanted to thank mr.

1968
01:25:09,870 --> 01:25:07,630
Christensen for his service

1969
01:25:12,660 --> 01:25:09,880
my brother was 82nd airborne during

1970
01:25:14,430 --> 01:25:12,670
Vietnam but he got lucky and stayed back

1971
01:25:16,049 --> 01:25:14,440
in Fort Bragg and Fort Benning training

1972
01:25:17,520 --> 01:25:16,059
troops he made sergeant and just trained

1973
01:25:19,350 --> 01:25:17,530
so he never actually made it over there

1974
01:25:20,310 --> 01:25:19,360
but um you were talking about the

1975
01:25:23,160 --> 01:25:20,320
private island

1976
01:25:24,660 --> 01:25:23,170
back off Key Largo and I actually did

1977
01:25:26,279 --> 01:25:24,670
some work there after Hurricane Andrew I

1978
01:25:27,240 --> 01:25:26,289
was out there repairing screen rooms and

1979
01:25:28,439 --> 01:25:27,250
patio rooms and that place was

1980
01:25:30,810 --> 01:25:28,449
absolutely amazing

1981
01:25:33,330 --> 01:25:30,820
they had a gatehouse the size of a house

1982
01:25:34,919 --> 01:25:33,340
with six guys so you couldn't even get

1983
01:25:36,660 --> 01:25:34,929
on the island unless you had business

1984
01:25:40,470 --> 01:25:36,670
there in the home there you could not

1985
01:25:42,359 --> 01:25:40,480
even go out there but I wanted to

1986
01:25:43,819 --> 01:25:42,369
mention Martin brought up Jackie Gleason

1987
01:25:46,470 --> 01:25:43,829
story you said you hadn't heard that

1988
01:25:49,169 --> 01:25:46,480
Jackie Gleason would actually golf with

1989
01:25:50,910 --> 01:25:49,179
Nixon President Nixon and one night

1990
01:25:53,750 --> 01:25:50,920
President Nixon actually drove to his

1991
01:25:56,459 --> 01:25:53,760
house and picked him up and said get in

1992
01:25:58,830 --> 01:25:56,469
and he took him to homestead Air Force

1993
01:26:03,299 --> 01:25:58,840
Base and they went somewhere underground

1994
01:26:06,720 --> 01:26:03,309
on the base and the story is that Nixon

1995
01:26:08,669 --> 01:26:06,730
showed him like pickled alien bodies in

1996
01:26:11,520 --> 01:26:08,679
like glass containers and record news

1997
01:26:13,859 --> 01:26:11,530
UFO and Jackie Gleason came home that

1998
01:26:16,439 --> 01:26:13,869
night and was all white and pale and

1999
01:26:17,669 --> 01:26:16,449
just he'd already been following UFOs

2000
01:26:20,189 --> 01:26:17,679
they think he had a whole library on

2001
01:26:21,959 --> 01:26:20,199
UFOs at the time and his wife that story

2002
01:26:23,970 --> 01:26:21,969
so something you may want to look up

2003
01:26:28,080 --> 01:26:23,980
that's that's interesting yeah that's

2004
01:26:30,270 --> 01:26:28,090
very interesting I've in Miami Bobby

2005
01:26:33,510 --> 01:26:30,280
before you move on in that story is it

2006
01:26:35,220 --> 01:26:33,520
has anyone ever recorded Jackie Gleason

2007
01:26:37,290 --> 01:26:35,230
actually telling that story or is that

2008
01:26:39,330 --> 01:26:37,300
is that a hearsay type of thing

2009
01:26:41,100 --> 01:26:39,340
it's kind of here sight but it's

2010
01:26:43,649 --> 01:26:41,110
supposed to be it supposedly came from

2011
01:26:45,959 --> 01:26:43,659
his wife now when they divorce divorce

2012
01:26:48,330 --> 01:26:45,969
yeah there she was kind of angry about

2013
01:26:50,790 --> 01:26:48,340
things so she may have redacted what she

2014
01:26:52,890 --> 01:26:50,800
had said but I believe the story

2015
01:26:54,810 --> 01:26:52,900
originated from her yeah that's right I

2016
01:26:56,910 --> 01:26:54,820
did hear that yeah I did hear that yeah

2017
01:26:58,830 --> 01:26:56,920
I lived in mind I was born in Miami and

2018
01:27:01,680 --> 01:26:58,840
I live down there in South Florida till

2019
01:27:04,570 --> 01:27:01,690
I was about 30 years old and all the UFO

2020
01:27:07,750 --> 01:27:06,370
all happen all the crazy stuff that I've

2021
01:27:10,450 --> 01:27:07,760
seen actually all happened in South

2022
01:27:13,030 --> 01:27:10,460
Florida and Kendall now andrew was the

2023
01:27:18,250 --> 01:27:13,040
one that hit in 64 65

2024
01:27:20,470 --> 01:27:18,260
no 92 oh okay okay yeah andrew is

2025
01:27:22,480 --> 01:27:20,480
actually really really bad people that

2026
01:27:25,060 --> 01:27:22,490
well I've missed a lot of it because I

2027
01:27:26,980 --> 01:27:25,070
had no power for three months but it

2028
01:27:28,930 --> 01:27:26,990
literally looked like a war zone all the

2029
01:27:31,480 --> 01:27:28,940
trees had no leaves the limbs were

2030
01:27:34,000 --> 01:27:31,490
stripped off and then towards homestead

2031
01:27:36,610 --> 01:27:34,010
in the Rancho Lakes that whole area was

2032
01:27:39,970 --> 01:27:36,620
literally devastated but every building

2033
01:27:41,680 --> 01:27:39,980
had severe damage to it so anyways thank

2034
01:27:42,220 --> 01:27:41,690
you for your service and great human

2035
01:27:44,140 --> 01:27:42,230
join it

2036
01:27:46,420 --> 01:27:44,150
Thanks all right Bobby thanks to the

2037
01:27:49,770 --> 01:27:46,430
call all right all right

2038
01:27:53,760 --> 01:27:49,780
so I was gonna ask you what you thought

2039
01:27:57,370 --> 01:27:53,770
the possibility when you saw that craft

2040
01:27:59,890 --> 01:27:57,380
that floated over you like slowly

2041
01:28:03,280 --> 01:27:59,900
floated over you and in the humming and

2042
01:28:05,440 --> 01:28:03,290
all that what did you what did you and

2043
01:28:07,630 --> 01:28:05,450
your buddies actually think did you talk

2044
01:28:10,780 --> 01:28:07,640
about it and what did you think did you

2045
01:28:13,210 --> 01:28:10,790
think it was most likely not from this

2046
01:28:16,270 --> 01:28:13,220
earth or what did you what did you talk

2047
01:28:19,390 --> 01:28:16,280
about or did you think about it yeah we

2048
01:28:22,990 --> 01:28:19,400
we talked about it and I think when I

2049
01:28:26,290 --> 01:28:23,000
initially saw the thing going over I

2050
01:28:29,290 --> 01:28:26,300
keep telling myself it's a plane and

2051
01:28:31,720 --> 01:28:29,300
then I would go self if it's a plane

2052
01:28:34,060 --> 01:28:31,730
shouldn't it have wings you know there's

2053
01:28:36,100 --> 01:28:34,070
no wings but I was kind of in a denial

2054
01:28:39,490 --> 01:28:36,110
thing it's it's got to be some kind of a

2055
01:28:42,130 --> 01:28:39,500
plane but then it's going too slow and

2056
01:28:44,980 --> 01:28:42,140
then and then seeing everybody so it

2057
01:28:47,800 --> 01:28:44,990
wasn't just me kind of you know what is

2058
01:28:51,580 --> 01:28:47,810
this is thirty other guys all reacting

2059
01:28:54,970 --> 01:28:51,590
to it also and then after it passed over

2060
01:28:57,390 --> 01:28:54,980
and the officer wigged out which really

2061
01:29:00,670 --> 01:28:57,400
added to it then we started noticing

2062
01:29:03,610 --> 01:29:00,680
other things the silence the absolute

2063
01:29:05,530 --> 01:29:03,620
dead silence that we hadn't heard at

2064
01:29:07,390 --> 01:29:05,540
that point I said I'd been down there

2065
01:29:08,500 --> 01:29:07,400
about seven or eight months I think I

2066
01:29:10,540 --> 01:29:08,510
might have been down there longer I

2067
01:29:14,380 --> 01:29:10,550
think I left I think I want to say that

2068
01:29:15,730 --> 01:29:14,390
happened in January of 69 so at that

2069
01:29:17,550 --> 01:29:15,740
point I'd been there about seven or

2070
01:29:20,930 --> 01:29:17,560
eight nine months

2071
01:29:24,150 --> 01:29:20,940
and so this was so out of the norm for

2072
01:29:26,760 --> 01:29:24,160
this jungle to be quiet and for those

2073
01:29:28,320 --> 01:29:26,770
dogs I worked with dogs in Texas and

2074
01:29:30,930 --> 01:29:28,330
then I worked with dogs in Everglades

2075
01:29:33,120 --> 01:29:30,940
and the dog zone and with the same dog

2076
01:29:36,870 --> 01:29:33,130
and I knew that dog as well as I know my

2077
01:29:38,820 --> 01:29:36,880
household dogs here he didn't act that

2078
01:29:41,670 --> 01:29:38,830
way they did and for all eight of them

2079
01:29:45,060 --> 01:29:41,680
to act the same way and for the billions

2080
01:29:47,910 --> 01:29:45,070
of insects and creepy crawlies to just

2081
01:29:51,240 --> 01:29:47,920
become totally silent that added to my

2082
01:29:52,530 --> 01:29:51,250
thoughts that this has to be because

2083
01:29:56,130 --> 01:29:52,540
planes were going over we weren't that

2084
01:29:57,390 --> 01:29:56,140
far an airport enforce airport so planes

2085
01:30:00,270 --> 01:29:57,400
were going over all the time high

2086
01:30:03,390 --> 01:30:00,280
because we were we're some distance from

2087
01:30:06,330 --> 01:30:03,400
the airport but never that low never saw

2088
01:30:09,900 --> 01:30:06,340
one that low before so all these things

2089
01:30:12,270 --> 01:30:09,910
kind of changed kind of washed away that

2090
01:30:13,380 --> 01:30:12,280
denial I had and you know we talked

2091
01:30:14,910 --> 01:30:13,390
about and there were some other

2092
01:30:17,490 --> 01:30:14,920
sightings after that there were still

2093
01:30:20,550 --> 01:30:17,500
saw some some lights darting around but

2094
01:30:22,890 --> 01:30:20,560
nothing that came close like the ones

2095
01:30:25,130 --> 01:30:22,900
that were directly overhead or another

2096
01:30:30,750 --> 01:30:25,140
incident where it flew directly over us

2097
01:30:32,610 --> 01:30:30,760
and then I left in May of 69 went to DC

2098
01:30:37,320 --> 01:30:32,620
for three months learn Vietnamese and

2099
01:30:39,240 --> 01:30:37,330
then went over Vietnam so then I said

2100
01:30:43,590 --> 01:30:39,250
then later I think I read some articles

2101
01:30:46,230 --> 01:30:43,600
about Florida and sightings and then

2102
01:30:47,640 --> 01:30:46,240
that little somebody's theory that you

2103
01:30:48,660 --> 01:30:47,650
know when you fly over there well you

2104
01:30:50,610 --> 01:30:48,670
probably I'm sure you have flown

2105
01:30:53,820 --> 01:30:50,620
everglades there's you look down it's

2106
01:30:55,790 --> 01:30:53,830
there's these circles of brush or trees

2107
01:30:58,710 --> 01:30:55,800
or that they almost look like craters

2108
01:31:00,630 --> 01:30:58,720
and with water in the middle and I'm

2109
01:31:02,580 --> 01:31:00,640
never flying over the thing is yeah UFO

2110
01:31:05,360 --> 01:31:02,590
could indeed just slip right underneath

2111
01:31:08,700 --> 01:31:05,370
there and slip right back out and and uh

2112
01:31:10,680 --> 01:31:08,710
they get kind of muddy though yeah it's

2113
01:31:17,640 --> 01:31:10,690
pretty muddy there yeah that was full of

2114
01:31:19,800 --> 01:31:17,650
pythons and and alligators yeah so why

2115
01:31:21,240 --> 01:31:19,810
don't you tell now I know you talked a

2116
01:31:23,250 --> 01:31:21,250
little bit in your book about cattle

2117
01:31:25,530 --> 01:31:23,260
mutilations which is another bizarre

2118
01:31:30,730 --> 01:31:25,540
thing but you actually had some type of

2119
01:31:32,440 --> 01:31:30,740
experience and with your wife you were

2120
01:31:34,180 --> 01:31:32,450
searching you were going to do something

2121
01:31:37,660 --> 01:31:34,190
with ghosts and so you started looking

2122
01:31:40,600 --> 01:31:37,670
into that topic so and you had some type

2123
01:31:43,690 --> 01:31:40,610
of a cold spot or something you want to

2124
01:31:46,000 --> 01:31:43,700
talk about that yeah it's I suppose it's

2125
01:31:48,400 --> 01:31:46,010
sort of minor compared to what you see

2126
01:31:50,410 --> 01:31:48,410
on television but I was talking to my my

2127
01:31:51,700 --> 01:31:50,420
book agent and we were talking about a

2128
01:31:53,890 --> 01:31:51,710
whole nother matter and we're just

2129
01:31:55,930 --> 01:31:53,900
getting ready to hang up and he said

2130
01:31:59,290 --> 01:31:55,940
would you be interested in doing a book

2131
01:32:01,570 --> 01:31:59,300
on ghost hunters a TV show and I go yeah

2132
01:32:05,230 --> 01:32:01,580
he said you know much about it and I go

2133
01:32:08,260 --> 01:32:05,240
sure just you know you lie when you talk

2134
01:32:10,090 --> 01:32:08,270
I go sure and so we hung up and I told

2135
01:32:11,610 --> 01:32:10,100
my wife I said yeah I might be doing a

2136
01:32:15,160 --> 01:32:11,620
book on ghost hunters I said let's uh

2137
01:32:16,900 --> 01:32:15,170
let's start and we were already

2138
01:32:19,150 --> 01:32:16,910
interested in and we watched all the

2139
01:32:21,460 --> 01:32:19,160
shows it's not get home but and we had a

2140
01:32:25,450 --> 01:32:21,470
couple books and and so we got more

2141
01:32:30,160 --> 01:32:25,460
books and watched more shows and then we

2142
01:32:31,900 --> 01:32:30,170
went to a ghost hunters group one night

2143
01:32:35,230 --> 01:32:31,910
and they were just too weird for us and

2144
01:32:42,550 --> 01:32:35,240
you know these people and so we we got a

2145
01:32:44,950 --> 01:32:42,560
digital camera and we got a EVP recorder

2146
01:32:48,760 --> 01:32:44,960
the trying voice phenomena recorder and

2147
01:32:50,440 --> 01:32:48,770
a thermometer device and there's a lot

2148
01:32:52,360 --> 01:32:50,450
of haunted places in Portland but you

2149
01:32:53,620 --> 01:32:52,370
know we didn't we're new at it we didn't

2150
01:32:56,260 --> 01:32:53,630
know what do you just knock on the door

2151
01:32:57,880 --> 01:32:56,270
you know can we come in and talk to your

2152
01:33:00,220 --> 01:32:57,890
walls and see if anybody wants to talk

2153
01:33:01,720 --> 01:33:00,230
to us you know so we didn't so we said

2154
01:33:05,550 --> 01:33:01,730
well let's just go to graveyards you

2155
01:33:07,960 --> 01:33:05,560
know and I've read where some people say

2156
01:33:10,360 --> 01:33:07,970
you know go to graveyards but if you're

2157
01:33:13,150 --> 01:33:10,370
um you're a spirit or a ghost you're not

2158
01:33:15,010 --> 01:33:13,160
gonna hang around the grave yard but who

2159
01:33:18,130 --> 01:33:15,020
knows nobody's an expert at this stuff

2160
01:33:21,820 --> 01:33:18,140
and my theory was I mentioned a book

2161
01:33:24,460 --> 01:33:21,830
that Willie Horton was a prolific bank

2162
01:33:24,880 --> 01:33:24,470
robber in the 30s brought hundreds of

2163
01:33:28,360 --> 01:33:24,890
banks

2164
01:33:30,010 --> 01:33:28,370
humming dozens but maybe he wasn't good

2165
01:33:31,300 --> 01:33:30,020
he kept getting caught and he'd go to

2166
01:33:32,950 --> 01:33:31,310
prison for a couple years ago doubt and

2167
01:33:34,590 --> 01:33:32,960
start robbing banks again finally

2168
01:33:37,360 --> 01:33:34,600
reporter says why do you rob banks

2169
01:33:42,160 --> 01:33:37,370
Willie he says because that's where the

2170
01:33:43,660 --> 01:33:42,170
money is so recent so we said well let's

2171
01:33:44,200 --> 01:33:43,670
go to the graves because that's where

2172
01:33:47,050 --> 01:33:44,210
you know

2173
01:33:49,270 --> 01:33:47,060
the dead people so we went to a couple

2174
01:33:51,130 --> 01:33:49,280
of graveyards but important has some

2175
01:33:53,050 --> 01:33:51,140
fantastic ones they have one really

2176
01:33:55,120 --> 01:33:53,060
really spooky one in fact the pictures I

2177
01:33:57,880 --> 01:33:55,130
took for that kind of assaulted in the

2178
01:34:00,340 --> 01:33:57,890
book are ones that we took in some of

2179
01:34:01,360 --> 01:34:00,350
the graveyards yeah just happen to be a

2180
01:34:05,650 --> 01:34:01,370
foggy day too

2181
01:34:07,960 --> 01:34:05,660
so we got we just got one thing at a

2182
01:34:09,880 --> 01:34:07,970
graveyard it was a freshly buried person

2183
01:34:12,610 --> 01:34:09,890
with flowers on top and we just got a

2184
01:34:16,990 --> 01:34:12,620
wisp of smoke some kind of wisp of

2185
01:34:18,400 --> 01:34:17,000
cloudy substance coming up from the

2186
01:34:20,680 --> 01:34:18,410
flowers into the air

2187
01:34:23,320 --> 01:34:20,690
whatever that was we don't know but we

2188
01:34:25,750 --> 01:34:23,330
we discovered a mausoleum and Portland

2189
01:34:28,270 --> 01:34:25,760
has it about a mausoleums like any big

2190
01:34:30,880 --> 01:34:28,280
city but it has an incredible mausoleum

2191
01:34:32,320 --> 01:34:30,890
that was big to begin with and it looked

2192
01:34:34,150 --> 01:34:32,330
like it looks like a building that's

2193
01:34:36,430 --> 01:34:34,160
been added on to and added on and added

2194
01:34:37,840 --> 01:34:36,440
on to apparently the first carpenters

2195
01:34:40,030 --> 01:34:37,850
didn't think that more people would die

2196
01:34:42,490 --> 01:34:40,040
than you know but they just kept adding

2197
01:34:43,930 --> 01:34:42,500
on to adding floors adding basement I

2198
01:34:47,050 --> 01:34:43,940
think it was three or four stories high

2199
01:34:50,080 --> 01:34:47,060
and a couple three stories low monstrous

2200
01:34:52,930 --> 01:34:50,090
boys and we we found our way into it

2201
01:34:57,580 --> 01:34:52,940
there wasn't anybody else in it I think

2202
01:35:00,250 --> 01:34:57,590
we sell one car out still oh oh I'm

2203
01:35:03,970 --> 01:35:00,260
sorry we I took the call but I was gonna

2204
01:35:06,310 --> 01:35:03,980
have them on hold but are you willing to

2205
01:35:08,770 --> 01:35:06,320
take the call now and we'll go back into

2206
01:35:11,620 --> 01:35:08,780
the story that all right sorry sorry to

2207
01:35:14,560 --> 01:35:11,630
interrupt you well caller lost out your

2208
01:35:16,480 --> 01:35:14,570
first name where you calling from this

2209
01:35:19,840 --> 01:35:16,490
is Steve I'm in New Hampshire are you

2210
01:35:22,690 --> 01:35:19,850
doing they say Steve welcome to the show

2211
01:35:24,460 --> 01:35:22,700
you have a question for our guest no I

2212
01:35:28,540 --> 01:35:24,470
have an experience that he might relate

2213
01:35:31,270 --> 01:35:28,550
to because in the 60s and 70s in Europe

2214
01:35:34,000 --> 01:35:31,280
there were nike hercules spaces and i

2215
01:35:38,820 --> 01:35:34,010
was assigned to one in the early in mid

2216
01:35:41,950 --> 01:35:38,830
70s in italy and the setup was we had

2217
01:35:44,200 --> 01:35:41,960
three missile barns two of them had what

2218
01:35:46,960 --> 01:35:44,210
they call special weapons or classified

2219
01:35:49,960 --> 01:35:46,970
weapons in them and we had a guard force

2220
01:35:51,880 --> 01:35:49,970
that provided security for them and one

2221
01:35:54,730 --> 01:35:51,890
night i was a duty officer and i went

2222
01:35:56,620 --> 01:35:54,740
down range and we had four guards down

2223
01:35:57,820 --> 01:35:56,630
in the shack there and they said wow you

2224
01:35:59,950 --> 01:35:57,830
missed it Lt

2225
01:36:01,930 --> 01:35:59,960
I said what and he said we had this

2226
01:36:03,610 --> 01:36:01,940
thing over one of the missile barns I

2227
01:36:06,100 --> 01:36:03,620
said well what do you mean a thing and

2228
01:36:09,060 --> 01:36:06,110
they said it's it's there you see it and

2229
01:36:11,320 --> 01:36:09,070
in the distance I could see a white

2230
01:36:13,720 --> 01:36:11,330
glowing thing and I says oh that's a

2231
01:36:15,730 --> 01:36:13,730
satellite of something and they said no

2232
01:36:18,070 --> 01:36:15,740
no it was closer and one of the

2233
01:36:20,350 --> 01:36:18,080
sergeant's there said well I hope we

2234
01:36:22,150 --> 01:36:20,360
don't see one of those things again I

2235
01:36:25,000 --> 01:36:22,160
says well what are you talking about

2236
01:36:27,820 --> 01:36:25,010
well he was in Greece in a similar site

2237
01:36:31,390 --> 01:36:27,830
that had special weapons and one night

2238
01:36:33,730 --> 01:36:31,400
he said a large glowing object came over

2239
01:36:36,520 --> 01:36:33,740
one of the missile barns and it was so

2240
01:36:39,430 --> 01:36:36,530
close that it set off the alarm system

2241
01:36:42,810 --> 01:36:39,440
which you know those long barns armed

2242
01:36:45,700 --> 01:36:42,820
and everything and not it set it off and

2243
01:36:47,500 --> 01:36:45,710
the duty officer came down they put it

2244
01:36:51,460 --> 01:36:47,510
in the report in the whole bit and the

2245
01:36:53,320 --> 01:36:51,470
next day a team came out from from CTF

2246
01:36:56,620 --> 01:36:53,330
which was like the regional headquarters

2247
01:36:59,650 --> 01:36:56,630
of the southern European task force and

2248
01:37:02,440 --> 01:36:59,660
they questioned all of them told them

2249
01:37:04,210 --> 01:37:02,450
not to talk about it and they broke them

2250
01:37:06,940 --> 01:37:04,220
all up and reassigned them and this

2251
01:37:10,210 --> 01:37:06,950
large and the sergeant got sent to the

2252
01:37:11,770 --> 01:37:10,220
site we were in Italy so that was you

2253
01:37:15,250 --> 01:37:11,780
know many years ago but it's not when

2254
01:37:17,680 --> 01:37:15,260
you were about the Nike hurt basis and I

2255
01:37:21,160 --> 01:37:17,690
had heard since then that there were a

2256
01:37:25,240 --> 01:37:21,170
lot of UFOs over places that had nuclear

2257
01:37:27,970 --> 01:37:25,250
or classified weapons stored and I just

2258
01:37:30,820 --> 01:37:27,980
thought I would pass that along great

2259
01:37:31,380 --> 01:37:30,830
great story Steve thanks thanks for the

2260
01:37:34,570 --> 01:37:31,390
call

2261
01:37:37,960 --> 01:37:34,580
yes thank you guys keep it up thank you

2262
01:37:40,450 --> 01:37:37,970
thank you all right so before the call

2263
01:37:43,180 --> 01:37:40,460
came in we were actually talking about

2264
01:37:46,270 --> 01:37:43,190
you the mausoleum you were you and your

2265
01:37:48,490 --> 01:37:46,280
wife were in so again I apologize for

2266
01:37:51,340 --> 01:37:48,500
the interruption okay I thought I

2267
01:37:54,040 --> 01:37:51,350
actually lost you there yeah it just is

2268
01:37:55,960 --> 01:37:54,050
a monstrous mausoleum three stories up

2269
01:37:59,440 --> 01:37:55,970
three stories down with tens of

2270
01:38:02,110 --> 01:37:59,450
thousands of marble drawers in which the

2271
01:38:04,060 --> 01:38:02,120
deceased lay and little alcoves

2272
01:38:09,450 --> 01:38:04,070
glass-covered alcoves in which there

2273
01:38:11,470 --> 01:38:09,460
were vases of ashes and marble floors so

2274
01:38:14,200 --> 01:38:11,480
you could hear water

2275
01:38:16,240 --> 01:38:14,210
ripping somewhere and and your

2276
01:38:19,780 --> 01:38:16,250
imagination you know you have to be

2277
01:38:21,760 --> 01:38:19,790
careful that you don't have a you know a

2278
01:38:23,830 --> 01:38:21,770
wish fulfillment or something you know

2279
01:38:25,870 --> 01:38:23,840
it and you want to you want to find

2280
01:38:28,240 --> 01:38:25,880
something and you know when you do is

2281
01:38:30,340 --> 01:38:28,250
this a darker place or is it lit it's

2282
01:38:34,060 --> 01:38:30,350
it's it's lit but it's just poorly lit

2283
01:38:35,560 --> 01:38:34,070
yeah and so my wife I had a digital and

2284
01:38:38,440 --> 01:38:35,570
so she just went out snapping digital

2285
01:38:41,350 --> 01:38:38,450
trying to get an orb and I'd walk around

2286
01:38:43,090 --> 01:38:41,360
my little voice recorder going to it but

2287
01:38:45,310 --> 01:38:43,100
hold it up to your drawers anybody want

2288
01:38:48,370 --> 01:38:45,320
to talk to me we didn't know what we're

2289
01:38:49,870 --> 01:38:48,380
doing Anna we did that for probably

2290
01:38:53,229 --> 01:38:49,880
there for three hours it's pretty

2291
01:38:56,500 --> 01:38:53,239
fascinating place and had spooky angels

2292
01:38:59,470 --> 01:38:56,510
you know of carvings statues of yeah

2293
01:39:02,740 --> 01:38:59,480
Carly she's not really and just a real

2294
01:39:05,800 --> 01:39:02,750
creepy place and we left and we went

2295
01:39:07,720 --> 01:39:05,810
home and I hooked my EVP recorder up to

2296
01:39:09,820 --> 01:39:07,730
the computer and we didn't get anything

2297
01:39:11,950 --> 01:39:09,830
but we decided to go back the next week

2298
01:39:15,820 --> 01:39:11,960
and we went back the next month next

2299
01:39:18,130 --> 01:39:15,830
week and again a wife took off snapping

2300
01:39:22,060 --> 01:39:18,140
pictures and I just sat on a bench I've

2301
01:39:24,510 --> 01:39:22,070
kind of lost interest already and we

2302
01:39:28,420 --> 01:39:24,520
were there a probably about 90 minutes

2303
01:39:30,070 --> 01:39:28,430
she came back and she says I feel awful

2304
01:39:32,650 --> 01:39:30,080
and she said I feel I'm just totally

2305
01:39:34,840 --> 01:39:32,660
totally exhausted depleted like I just

2306
01:39:37,390 --> 01:39:34,850
want to curl up on this bench here and

2307
01:39:40,570 --> 01:39:37,400
sleep and I had just gotten grumpier and

2308
01:39:43,750 --> 01:39:40,580
grumpier and I just wanted to punch

2309
01:39:47,500 --> 01:39:43,760
somebody yeah we I said let's just leave

2310
01:39:49,540 --> 01:39:47,510
and it got worse as we as we got about

2311
01:39:50,950 --> 01:39:49,550
halfway home he started to at first it

2312
01:39:52,510 --> 01:39:50,960
got worse as we left and then about

2313
01:39:56,770 --> 01:39:52,520
halfway know he's about a 40-minute

2314
01:39:58,330 --> 01:39:56,780
drive home it started to a lesson but

2315
01:39:59,830 --> 01:39:58,340
I've never felt this you know I've

2316
01:40:02,650 --> 01:39:59,840
gotten mad at somebody but never just

2317
01:40:05,140 --> 01:40:02,660
out of the blue just just this ant rage

2318
01:40:07,450 --> 01:40:05,150
and my wife is no one's no more

2319
01:40:11,110 --> 01:40:07,460
energetic than she is and just to get

2320
01:40:12,820 --> 01:40:11,120
just wilt into a pile and we got back to

2321
01:40:14,200 --> 01:40:12,830
the house and we just sat out in the

2322
01:40:16,390 --> 01:40:14,210
driveway we didn't want to go into the

2323
01:40:18,910 --> 01:40:16,400
house if we he said maybe we picked up

2324
01:40:20,380 --> 01:40:18,920
something my son is a pastor and he said

2325
01:40:21,700 --> 01:40:20,390
don't mess with that stuff don't mess

2326
01:40:24,919 --> 01:40:21,710
with that stuff the stuff will cling to

2327
01:40:26,569 --> 01:40:24,929
you you know and so we stayed in that

2328
01:40:29,089 --> 01:40:26,579
we had a symphony to go to that night

2329
01:40:31,910 --> 01:40:29,099
but we stayed in a car for probably 30

2330
01:40:34,669 --> 01:40:31,920
minutes 25 30 minutes and until we felt

2331
01:40:37,069 --> 01:40:34,679
better good enough to go in a house and

2332
01:40:39,319 --> 01:40:37,079
go to the concert but we were kind of

2333
01:40:42,020 --> 01:40:39,329
dragging at the concert and we never

2334
01:40:44,209 --> 01:40:42,030
went back out there again went to a

2335
01:40:45,649 --> 01:40:44,219
couple more cemeteries went to another

2336
01:40:48,379 --> 01:40:45,659
mod it's just real small when it

2337
01:40:51,979 --> 01:40:48,389
probably had 100 people in it under

2338
01:40:54,979 --> 01:40:51,989
deceased in it l-shaped and I wife was

2339
01:40:56,839 --> 01:40:54,989
went down one end and I didn't take my I

2340
01:40:59,709 --> 01:40:56,849
didn't take my EVP thing I felt kind of

2341
01:41:02,810 --> 01:40:59,719
stupid talking in drawers you know I

2342
01:41:04,669 --> 01:41:02,820
took the temperature thing I just sat

2343
01:41:06,919 --> 01:41:04,679
down on a bench and and just waited for

2344
01:41:09,819 --> 01:41:06,929
her to get her pictures oh and she

2345
01:41:13,009 --> 01:41:09,829
didn't get any Evie she didn't get any

2346
01:41:15,830 --> 01:41:13,019
images orbs she didn't get any orbs at

2347
01:41:17,449 --> 01:41:15,840
the big mausoleum at all and so I'm

2348
01:41:19,189 --> 01:41:17,459
sitting there and all of a sudden I

2349
01:41:20,629 --> 01:41:19,199
started getting really cold and I look

2350
01:41:23,540 --> 01:41:20,639
around there's no windows in the place

2351
01:41:25,069 --> 01:41:23,550
of course there's no vents and I look at

2352
01:41:29,569 --> 01:41:25,079
my temperature thing he dropped about 10

2353
01:41:31,640 --> 01:41:29,579
degrees and immediately instantly and my

2354
01:41:33,830 --> 01:41:31,650
wife I could hear getting I could hear

2355
01:41:36,469 --> 01:41:33,840
the clicks getting louder and louder as

2356
01:41:38,600 --> 01:41:36,479
she was getting nearer nearer she came

2357
01:41:40,580 --> 01:41:38,610
around the elbow of the of the L turn

2358
01:41:42,469 --> 01:41:40,590
there and she looked at me and she saw

2359
01:41:44,270 --> 01:41:42,479
what if my face was doing and I said

2360
01:41:46,759 --> 01:41:44,280
take a picture of me and just kind of

2361
01:41:48,620 --> 01:41:46,769
mouthed it she took a picture and it was

2362
01:41:52,370 --> 01:41:48,630
the only picture we got an orb it took

2363
01:41:53,750 --> 01:41:52,380
hundreds a giant orb by my chest only

2364
01:41:56,060 --> 01:41:53,760
but you couldn't see what type of camera

2365
01:41:57,679 --> 01:41:56,070
was she using digital is what they

2366
01:41:58,939 --> 01:41:57,689
recommend and now you have everybody's

2367
01:42:00,799 --> 01:41:58,949
got cell phones cell phones probably

2368
01:42:02,120 --> 01:42:00,809
work pretty well so it was just a

2369
01:42:04,489 --> 01:42:02,130
regular camera it was nothing special

2370
01:42:06,560 --> 01:42:04,499
now you couldn't see with your eyes but

2371
01:42:08,120 --> 01:42:06,570
you could see on the camera now was

2372
01:42:09,560 --> 01:42:08,130
there it is right behind you or anything

2373
01:42:11,959 --> 01:42:09,570
that could have caused a lens flare no

2374
01:42:13,580 --> 01:42:11,969
no that you know we always George rule

2375
01:42:15,799 --> 01:42:13,590
out dust and that sort of thing that's

2376
01:42:18,770 --> 01:42:15,809
always a possibility but this place was

2377
01:42:21,379 --> 01:42:18,780
pretty spotless no strange like it

2378
01:42:23,330 --> 01:42:21,389
wasn't raining outside we took a picture

2379
01:42:25,219 --> 01:42:23,340
for the cover of cops true stories of

2380
01:42:27,709 --> 01:42:25,229
paranormal there's a house you barely

2381
01:42:29,989 --> 01:42:27,719
see it in the fog that's a real spooky

2382
01:42:32,149 --> 01:42:29,999
house and we talked when we were

2383
01:42:34,910 --> 01:42:32,159
shooting pictures for the book we got or

2384
01:42:37,380 --> 01:42:34,920
but it was raining and I just so we just

2385
01:42:39,600 --> 01:42:37,390
wrote that off this rain rain orbs

2386
01:42:42,270 --> 01:42:39,610
yeah supposedly there's different you

2387
01:42:45,000 --> 01:42:42,280
can tell by if it's a duster them or the

2388
01:42:48,330 --> 01:42:45,010
rain water or something there's a

2389
01:42:49,700 --> 01:42:48,340
there's a series of pubs and the one

2390
01:42:52,440 --> 01:42:49,710
where I gave a talk to a couple of

2391
01:42:54,870 --> 01:42:52,450
several weeks ago is one of them that

2392
01:42:57,540 --> 01:42:54,880
are haunted in Portland what I'm saying

2393
01:43:00,780 --> 01:42:57,550
was a poor farm with people who were

2394
01:43:03,300 --> 01:43:00,790
poor were putting this farm way back in

2395
01:43:05,870 --> 01:43:03,310
the 1890s or whatever and you can go out

2396
01:43:10,080 --> 01:43:05,880
there the digital and people have and

2397
01:43:12,810 --> 01:43:10,090
there's a long hallway down this down

2398
01:43:14,880 --> 01:43:12,820
this some hotel and you take pictures

2399
01:43:18,780 --> 01:43:14,890
and there will be 50 or 100 orbs and the

2400
01:43:21,530 --> 01:43:18,790
pictures weird oh and are they something

2401
01:43:25,320 --> 01:43:21,540
who knows a lot a lot of paranormal

2402
01:43:27,480 --> 01:43:25,330
experts and you know say that orbs don't

2403
01:43:29,700 --> 01:43:27,490
mean anything and other experts say yeah

2404
01:43:31,920 --> 01:43:29,710
they mean a lot it could be you know a

2405
01:43:33,510 --> 01:43:31,930
ghost trying to manifest itself or

2406
01:43:35,430 --> 01:43:33,520
that's that sort of thing

2407
01:43:38,250 --> 01:43:35,440
well a number of people have talked

2408
01:43:42,240 --> 01:43:38,260
about orbs having sort of an

2409
01:43:44,490 --> 01:43:42,250
intelligence to them you know so in the

2410
01:43:47,490 --> 01:43:44,500
way they navigate and stuff like that

2411
01:43:49,710 --> 01:43:47,500
so I don't know you know there is

2412
01:43:52,200 --> 01:43:49,720
sometimes there sometimes pictures are

2413
01:43:55,320 --> 01:43:52,210
capture they capture orbs and pictures

2414
01:43:57,480 --> 01:43:55,330
where there is a haunting hmm so that

2415
01:44:00,360 --> 01:43:57,490
would be that would be significant in my

2416
01:44:02,340 --> 01:44:00,370
mind I am NOT an expert I wrote this

2417
01:44:05,070 --> 01:44:02,350
book as a reporter and a guy who's had

2418
01:44:07,050 --> 01:44:05,080
three or four experiences so yeah now in

2419
01:44:09,750 --> 01:44:07,060
your book you talk about cattle

2420
01:44:12,120 --> 01:44:09,760
mutilations and that's another bizarre

2421
01:44:15,000 --> 01:44:12,130
thing happening and there's you know

2422
01:44:16,890 --> 01:44:15,010
skeptics will say Satanist I saw you

2423
01:44:18,750 --> 01:44:16,900
wrote that in your book and a number of

2424
01:44:19,740 --> 01:44:18,760
different things but a lot of things

2425
01:44:22,560 --> 01:44:19,750
just don't add up

2426
01:44:24,900 --> 01:44:22,570
and one thing you did right in there was

2427
01:44:29,490 --> 01:44:24,910
about the possibility of them being

2428
01:44:32,040 --> 01:44:29,500
dropped and which came to mind a couple

2429
01:44:33,500 --> 01:44:32,050
of that I've heard about I don't know if

2430
01:44:37,290 --> 01:44:33,510
you ever heard of the skinwalker ranch

2431
01:44:40,590 --> 01:44:37,300
but uh there was a mutilation where the

2432
01:44:43,110 --> 01:44:40,600
cow the cows head was like stuck in a

2433
01:44:45,780 --> 01:44:43,120
hole as if had been dropped from above

2434
01:44:49,650 --> 01:44:45,790
and like it went down and you know smash

2435
01:44:50,970 --> 01:44:49,660
into whole bizarre things and sometimes

2436
01:44:53,580 --> 01:44:50,980
they're dropped

2437
01:44:55,140 --> 01:44:53,590
through trees and they don't hit the

2438
01:44:57,300 --> 01:44:55,150
ground and they hit the ground so hard

2439
01:44:58,740 --> 01:44:57,310
to leave an imprint they bounced over to

2440
01:45:01,410 --> 01:44:58,750
another location a couple three feet

2441
01:45:04,440 --> 01:45:01,420
away and you can look up and you can see

2442
01:45:06,270 --> 01:45:04,450
all the limbs broken all the way to the

2443
01:45:07,380 --> 01:45:06,280
top think cows climb trees as far as I

2444
01:45:10,140 --> 01:45:07,390
know no they don't

2445
01:45:11,220 --> 01:45:10,150
I don't yeah you know and then there's

2446
01:45:12,960 --> 01:45:11,230
always people talking about the black

2447
01:45:15,660 --> 01:45:12,970
helicopters and all that sort of thing

2448
01:45:17,700 --> 01:45:15,670
and or the government's behind it but as

2449
01:45:19,380 --> 01:45:17,710
I mentioned in the book as a guy worked

2450
01:45:21,960 --> 01:45:19,390
in a government an army and the police

2451
01:45:24,630 --> 01:45:21,970
two people can't keep a secret you know

2452
01:45:26,400 --> 01:45:24,640
and there's that and the other thing is

2453
01:45:30,750 --> 01:45:26,410
why would the government go to a

2454
01:45:32,280 --> 01:45:30,760
hard-working farmer take his cow and go

2455
01:45:33,690 --> 01:45:32,290
and slice it up and then bring it back

2456
01:45:36,390 --> 01:45:33,700
and drop it off you know

2457
01:45:39,210 --> 01:45:36,400
surely they can buy their own cows or

2458
01:45:40,950 --> 01:45:39,220
they do steal a cow they can just flirt

2459
01:45:42,690 --> 01:45:40,960
an incinerator someplace why bring it

2460
01:45:44,160 --> 01:45:42,700
back and make the guy feel even more

2461
01:45:46,410 --> 01:45:44,170
miserable well what was kind of

2462
01:45:48,660 --> 01:45:46,420
interesting is some of the mutilations

2463
01:45:51,240 --> 01:45:48,670
you know there's certain similarities is

2464
01:45:53,370 --> 01:45:51,250
that mutilations some certain like

2465
01:45:56,000 --> 01:45:53,380
certain or usually the sex organs are

2466
01:46:00,060 --> 01:45:56,010
cut out the utter if it's a cow the eyes

2467
01:46:02,130 --> 01:46:00,070
sometimes the mouth and most of time

2468
01:46:04,950 --> 01:46:02,140
there's no blood anywhere there's no

2469
01:46:07,350 --> 01:46:04,960
blood on the ground the nature of the

2470
01:46:10,380 --> 01:46:07,360
soil has been changed like just like

2471
01:46:12,090 --> 01:46:10,390
some of the UFO sightings where UFOs

2472
01:46:17,070 --> 01:46:12,100
have landed they tested the ground and

2473
01:46:19,670 --> 01:46:17,080
the ground is different or there's kind

2474
01:46:21,810 --> 01:46:19,680
of a charred mark around the animal or

2475
01:46:25,620 --> 01:46:21,820
one of the one thing I found really

2476
01:46:28,530 --> 01:46:25,630
interesting they found one cattle

2477
01:46:32,910 --> 01:46:28,540
mutilation in you see the late 50s early

2478
01:46:35,640 --> 01:46:32,920
60s and it had oh and most of them have

2479
01:46:38,220 --> 01:46:35,650
a precision cutting so it's not like an

2480
01:46:40,740 --> 01:46:38,230
animal nodded you know a precision

2481
01:46:44,729 --> 01:46:40,750
cutting of whatever they want the the

2482
01:46:47,310 --> 01:46:44,739
sex organ or the utter or whatever the

2483
01:46:49,500 --> 01:46:47,320
instruments that were use the experts at

2484
01:46:52,020 --> 01:46:49,510
the scene looked and so and they said

2485
01:46:54,690 --> 01:46:52,030
said that the the instruments that were

2486
01:46:57,090 --> 01:46:54,700
used would not be invented they looked

2487
01:47:01,320 --> 01:46:57,100
at pictures would not be invented for

2488
01:47:04,200 --> 01:47:01,330
another ten years well I think that's it

2489
01:47:04,590 --> 01:47:04,210
that is that's pretty pretty awesome and

2490
01:47:12,090 --> 01:47:04,600
there's

2491
01:47:13,680 --> 01:47:12,100
you know I mean you talk about looking

2492
01:47:15,120 --> 01:47:13,690
evidence but we'll talk about that in

2493
01:47:16,460 --> 01:47:15,130
just a minute we have a call coming in

2494
01:47:19,140 --> 01:47:16,470
so I'll take that

2495
01:47:20,550 --> 01:47:19,150
hi caller you're on the line can you

2496
01:47:23,820 --> 01:47:20,560
tell us your first name and where you're

2497
01:47:26,880 --> 01:47:23,830
calling from yes this is Andy from

2498
01:47:29,480 --> 01:47:26,890
Stratford Connecticut I guess can you

2499
01:47:31,620 --> 01:47:29,490
please turn your computer mute please

2500
01:47:33,900 --> 01:47:31,630
yep yep got it

2501
01:47:37,470 --> 01:47:33,910
all right you ever sigh just you go

2502
01:47:40,680 --> 01:47:37,480
ahead yeah it's not a cattle mutilation

2503
01:47:42,720 --> 01:47:40,690
but it really made me wonder in the

2504
01:47:46,830 --> 01:47:42,730
woods in central New Hampshire a few

2505
01:47:47,610 --> 01:47:46,840
years ago was out hiking alone and deep

2506
01:47:50,880 --> 01:47:47,620
in the woods

2507
01:47:52,740 --> 01:47:50,890
not near any roads certainly not near

2508
01:47:55,830 --> 01:47:52,750
any kind of a road where a vehicle could

2509
01:48:01,560 --> 01:47:55,840
get you know maybe a dirt bike or a or a

2510
01:48:07,380 --> 01:48:01,570
hiker I saw far from any path a deep

2511
01:48:10,020 --> 01:48:07,390
perfectly round area of soil where it

2512
01:48:13,320 --> 01:48:10,030
looked like a giant ice-cream scoop came

2513
01:48:16,890 --> 01:48:13,330
in and just removed a perfectly round

2514
01:48:19,500 --> 01:48:16,900
piece of the earth I would say maybe 4

2515
01:48:22,380 --> 01:48:19,510
feet 5 feet in diameter and about 2 or 3

2516
01:48:23,730 --> 01:48:22,390
feet deep and it wasn't on a hill where

2517
01:48:26,880 --> 01:48:23,740
it would have been a rock that rolled

2518
01:48:29,730 --> 01:48:26,890
away and I just stood there for a while

2519
01:48:33,540 --> 01:48:29,740
staring at it and I could not figure out

2520
01:48:35,880 --> 01:48:33,550
how that came to be there and a little

2521
01:48:36,660 --> 01:48:35,890
while later the part of me yeah I see

2522
01:48:38,940 --> 01:48:36,670
yeah

2523
01:48:42,360 --> 01:48:38,950
did you actually see where the dirt went

2524
01:48:43,890 --> 01:48:42,370
like piles of dirt around later that's

2525
01:48:44,880 --> 01:48:43,900
that's just what made the whole thing

2526
01:48:49,260 --> 01:48:44,890
just so bizarre

2527
01:48:51,570 --> 01:48:49,270
like not nothing I was looking at made

2528
01:48:53,910 --> 01:48:51,580
any sense to me there was no dirt there

2529
01:48:56,730 --> 01:48:53,920
was no rock there were no tracks for a

2530
01:49:00,420 --> 01:48:56,740
bulldozer or I mean a backhoe there was

2531
01:49:04,710 --> 01:49:00,430
no way that that that soil shouldn't be

2532
01:49:07,080 --> 01:49:04,720
gone and I just took me a while to try

2533
01:49:09,930 --> 01:49:07,090
to process it I just shook my head and

2534
01:49:11,370 --> 01:49:09,940
filed it away and then years later when

2535
01:49:13,890 --> 01:49:11,380
I started hearing about cattle

2536
01:49:18,150 --> 01:49:13,900
mutilations and it made me wonder if

2537
01:49:23,280 --> 01:49:18,160
something was taken away right there

2538
01:49:25,740 --> 01:49:23,290
I'll just I'll never know but that that

2539
01:49:28,200 --> 01:49:25,750
was something I can't figure out and

2540
01:49:32,730 --> 01:49:28,210
it's stuck with me for years

2541
01:49:35,070 --> 01:49:32,740
and on a separate note I live near and

2542
01:49:37,560 --> 01:49:35,080
work near the Pease Air Force Base oh

2543
01:49:41,010 --> 01:49:37,570
yeah for years and years and years and

2544
01:49:45,920 --> 01:49:41,020
was never had any luck seeing anything

2545
01:49:48,840 --> 01:49:45,930
there but at one point in the military

2546
01:49:49,950 --> 01:49:48,850
training at Indiantown Gap in

2547
01:49:52,260 --> 01:49:49,960
Pennsylvania

2548
01:49:55,680 --> 01:49:52,270
myself and a couple other guys on night

2549
01:49:59,870 --> 01:49:55,690
patrol well not everybody saw just if

2550
01:50:02,880 --> 01:49:59,880
just a few of us together saw lights

2551
01:50:08,280 --> 01:50:02,890
blinking in and out moving across the

2552
01:50:10,880 --> 01:50:08,290
entire horizon so covering hundreds and

2553
01:50:15,620 --> 01:50:10,890
hundreds of miles just in a few seconds

2554
01:50:17,910 --> 01:50:15,630
and then changing directions sharply and

2555
01:50:20,190 --> 01:50:17,920
we didn't really talk about it and

2556
01:50:23,880 --> 01:50:20,200
didn't tell our superiors we knew that

2557
01:50:25,770 --> 01:50:23,890
it would go nowhere it definitely would

2558
01:50:29,570 --> 01:50:25,780
have been frowned on it could go

2559
01:50:33,090 --> 01:50:29,580
somewhere but you would never know true

2560
01:50:35,670 --> 01:50:33,100
I I wouldn't I won't rehash the whole

2561
01:50:38,130 --> 01:50:35,680
story of it I saw a green orb in the

2562
01:50:41,940 --> 01:50:38,140
military training at Ethan Allen firing

2563
01:50:43,470 --> 01:50:41,950
range in Vermont and plain as day right

2564
01:50:46,490 --> 01:50:43,480
in front of me with another person and

2565
01:50:50,000 --> 01:50:46,500
we did tell a few people and we were

2566
01:50:55,080 --> 01:50:50,010
totally told to keep quiet don't bother

2567
01:50:56,640 --> 01:50:55,090
and that that was the easily the biggest

2568
01:51:00,300 --> 01:50:56,650
mind blower I've ever seen in my life

2569
01:51:04,500 --> 01:51:00,310
well anyway that was it I just wanted to

2570
01:51:06,210 --> 01:51:04,510
share that that soil story thank you my

2571
01:51:07,830 --> 01:51:06,220
favorite all right thanks for the clean

2572
01:51:09,870 --> 01:51:07,840
show guys thank you there you know

2573
01:51:12,450 --> 01:51:09,880
thanks to the call I actually grew up

2574
01:51:15,060 --> 01:51:12,460
across the river from Pease Air Force

2575
01:51:17,670 --> 01:51:15,070
Base and I remember when there was a

2576
01:51:20,400 --> 01:51:17,680
fighter jet crash there our whole house

2577
01:51:23,730 --> 01:51:20,410
shook so that's a lottery base right in

2578
01:51:28,200 --> 01:51:23,740
Newington new hampshire but i lived

2579
01:51:28,830 --> 01:51:28,210
across the river in maine alright okay

2580
01:51:31,110 --> 01:51:28,840
thank you guys

2581
01:51:32,880 --> 01:51:31,120
yeah yeah that

2582
01:51:36,060 --> 01:51:32,890
that place is nuts when that when the

2583
01:51:38,070 --> 01:51:36,070
galaxy c-5a galaxies come and go if they

2584
01:51:41,810 --> 01:51:38,080
can be half a mile away and and you

2585
01:51:46,650 --> 01:51:41,820
can't hear yourself think anyway alright

2586
01:51:48,000 --> 01:51:46,660
Joe thank you thank you you know I don't

2587
01:51:50,220 --> 01:51:48,010
remember what we were talking about I

2588
01:51:54,390 --> 01:51:50,230
was just asking you a question I believe

2589
01:51:55,620 --> 01:51:54,400
when he when he called in but we're

2590
01:51:58,850 --> 01:51:55,630
getting right near the end of the show

2591
01:52:01,460 --> 01:51:58,860
we got about six or so minutes left

2592
01:52:06,450 --> 01:52:01,470
we're talking about cattle mutilations

2593
01:52:09,450 --> 01:52:06,460
basically it is bizarre that you know

2594
01:52:11,880 --> 01:52:09,460
the the no blood thing in the you know

2595
01:52:14,160 --> 01:52:11,890
people have said well it's a soft tissue

2596
01:52:16,020 --> 01:52:14,170
that the animals get in and you know eat

2597
01:52:17,700 --> 01:52:16,030
away and stuff like that but the

2598
01:52:20,400 --> 01:52:17,710
precision cutting I've seen pictures

2599
01:52:24,570 --> 01:52:20,410
it's really bizarre it's and in some

2600
01:52:26,570 --> 01:52:24,580
cases the indigenous animals and birds

2601
01:52:30,270 --> 01:52:26,580
won't go near it

2602
01:52:31,800 --> 01:52:30,280
to pick out the carcass and it's okay

2603
01:52:35,100 --> 01:52:31,810
and I remember a couple of stories where

2604
01:52:37,290 --> 01:52:35,110
they didn't go near for thirty days well

2605
01:52:39,240 --> 01:52:37,300
it's they had hang on a wire like they

2606
01:52:44,880 --> 01:52:39,250
were waiting but they they didn't go

2607
01:52:48,450 --> 01:52:44,890
here at for 30 days that desert when you

2608
01:52:49,710 --> 01:52:48,460
just when you wrote your book in your

2609
01:52:52,320 --> 01:52:49,720
book came out you said it was on the

2610
01:52:54,780 --> 01:52:52,330
bestseller list did you have police

2611
01:52:57,350 --> 01:52:54,790
officers contact you you know through

2612
01:53:00,420 --> 01:52:57,360
Facebook or somehow through your website

2613
01:53:01,590 --> 01:53:00,430
about their story they say gee I wish I

2614
01:53:03,240 --> 01:53:01,600
would have known you know you're gonna

2615
01:53:06,240 --> 01:53:03,250
do that or anything like that for like a

2616
01:53:08,070 --> 01:53:06,250
follow up well yeah I like to do a

2617
01:53:14,010 --> 01:53:08,080
second one in fact most of your views

2618
01:53:15,750 --> 01:53:14,020
asked for a second one I put a word out

2619
01:53:17,430 --> 01:53:15,760
and I'll get a couple which you know

2620
01:53:18,570 --> 01:53:17,440
can't make a book at it I think I have

2621
01:53:21,450 --> 01:53:18,580
like six right now

2622
01:53:22,770 --> 01:53:21,460
can't make a book out of that and then I

2623
01:53:24,060 --> 01:53:22,780
won't hear anything for a while so I

2624
01:53:26,460 --> 01:53:24,070
just get busy on I usually have two

2625
01:53:28,830 --> 01:53:26,470
books going at the same time so I'm

2626
01:53:30,510 --> 01:53:28,840
working on something else but yeah I

2627
01:53:32,720 --> 01:53:30,520
have a guy been trying to get him to

2628
01:53:36,690 --> 01:53:32,730
tell me story as he was a policeman and

2629
01:53:38,790 --> 01:53:36,700
responded to a call in the real house in

2630
01:53:41,460 --> 01:53:38,800
which the movie The Exorcist was based

2631
01:53:44,570 --> 01:53:41,470
on and he had he had an experience in

2632
01:53:48,230 --> 01:53:46,310
and yeah I have the guys have sent me

2633
01:53:50,300 --> 01:53:48,240
yeah I have three or four and and now

2634
01:53:54,740 --> 01:53:50,310
but I feel bad cuz I've been holding on

2635
01:53:56,150 --> 01:53:54,750
to him and so video listeners are police

2636
01:53:59,350 --> 01:53:56,160
you got stories you know give me a shout

2637
01:54:01,580 --> 01:53:59,360
and I'd like to do another one and

2638
01:54:05,300 --> 01:54:01,590
because this is what so well received

2639
01:54:08,840 --> 01:54:05,310
and and it was and several the writers

2640
01:54:10,340 --> 01:54:08,850
told me how good they felt after they

2641
01:54:11,240 --> 01:54:10,350
wrote the story and they could finally

2642
01:54:13,250 --> 01:54:11,250
get it out there

2643
01:54:15,830 --> 01:54:13,260
now a couple there's only about I

2644
01:54:18,830 --> 01:54:15,840
thought most the officers would want not

2645
01:54:21,580 --> 01:54:18,840
to use their real name but only three

2646
01:54:23,690 --> 01:54:21,590
they are still currently on a PD and

2647
01:54:25,190 --> 01:54:23,700
their agency didn't want him use her

2648
01:54:28,190 --> 01:54:25,200
name and they didn't want to use their

2649
01:54:30,200 --> 01:54:28,200
agency so I just said you know a West

2650
01:54:32,300 --> 01:54:30,210
Coast City or something but all the rest

2651
01:54:38,720 --> 01:54:32,310
of their real names and and real police

2652
01:54:44,120 --> 01:54:38,730
agencies and yeah yeah so yeah so it was

2653
01:54:47,510 --> 01:54:44,130
a very a very informative and sometimes

2654
01:54:49,370 --> 01:54:47,520
it kind of a spooky book to work on it

2655
01:54:50,990 --> 01:54:49,380
was a fun work now wasn't sure how is

2656
01:54:52,190 --> 01:54:51,000
going to be taken because they're like

2657
01:54:55,100 --> 01:54:52,200
you're one caller said you don't have a

2658
01:54:57,320 --> 01:54:55,110
rep out there with army and military and

2659
01:54:59,420 --> 01:54:57,330
writing books on PTSD and that sort of

2660
01:55:02,090 --> 01:54:59,430
thing and and they go this guy's gone

2661
01:55:05,150 --> 01:55:02,100
off the deep end but it never got that

2662
01:55:07,700 --> 01:55:05,160
at all have you done other books as well

2663
01:55:12,400 --> 01:55:07,710
where you have like a cooperation like

2664
01:55:15,260 --> 01:55:12,410
you did with these writers yeah yeah

2665
01:55:18,800 --> 01:55:15,270
have a book called warriors out of print

2666
01:55:20,450 --> 01:55:18,810
now on combat I did with with an army

2667
01:55:23,570 --> 01:55:20,460
colonel and that's that's that's the

2668
01:55:26,480 --> 01:55:23,580
biggest one I've written and we worked

2669
01:55:30,260 --> 01:55:26,490
it took us 30 30 months to write that

2670
01:55:33,470 --> 01:55:30,270
one and I yeah and it's it's required

2671
01:55:35,090 --> 01:55:33,480
reading at the War College and a

2672
01:55:37,700 --> 01:55:35,100
different military units and that sort

2673
01:55:40,040 --> 01:55:37,710
of thing yeah so we got a lot of input

2674
01:55:44,360 --> 01:55:40,050
from guys who had stories it's on it's

2675
01:55:47,960 --> 01:55:44,370
it's on what happens to your body in in

2676
01:55:49,460 --> 01:55:47,970
a toxic violent situation war you know

2677
01:55:51,140 --> 01:55:49,470
in particular it's for ores or a

2678
01:55:53,150 --> 01:55:51,150
shooting it's for police officers in

2679
01:55:56,030 --> 01:55:53,160
military and is how to prepare your mind

2680
01:55:56,660 --> 01:55:56,040
for it how to prepare it as it has as it

2681
01:55:58,430 --> 01:55:56,670
happens

2682
01:56:00,140 --> 01:55:58,440
and the mole and the worst for most

2683
01:56:02,600 --> 01:56:00,150
people is how to prepare you mind for

2684
01:56:06,070 --> 01:56:02,610
the aftermath so a lot of people just

2685
01:56:09,590 --> 01:56:06,080
contributed their stories to that book

2686
01:56:12,860 --> 01:56:09,600
so that was kind of nice but um yeah so

2687
01:56:14,209 --> 01:56:12,870
so the the parable was I really wanted

2688
01:56:16,330 --> 01:56:14,219
to do something different and that

2689
01:56:18,140 --> 01:56:16,340
worked out the cops true stories of the

2690
01:56:21,080 --> 01:56:18,150
paranormal worked out really well so

2691
01:56:23,330 --> 01:56:21,090
yeah well it looks like we're at the end

2692
01:56:24,860 --> 01:56:23,340
of our time here and it's been a real

2693
01:56:29,350 --> 01:56:24,870
pleasure I really enjoyed tonight's show

2694
01:56:35,209 --> 01:56:29,360
a lot thank you and thanks so much

2695
01:56:38,510 --> 01:56:35,219
alright so that was our guest and very

2696
01:56:41,750 --> 01:56:38,520
enjoyable and he has a website you can

2697
01:56:46,370 --> 01:56:41,760
check that out and that is uh actually

2698
01:56:48,140 --> 01:56:46,380
his name and so that's it for the show I

2699
01:56:49,520 --> 01:56:48,150
want to thank everyone for listening and

2700
01:56:51,919 --> 01:56:49,530
I want to thank the supporters that

2701
01:56:56,689 --> 01:56:51,929
support the show next week we have peter

2702
01:56:57,229 --> 01:56:56,699
robbins coming up and he will be he's a

2703
01:56:59,479 --> 01:56:57,239
friend

2704
01:57:01,729 --> 01:56:59,489
i did want to tell lee Spiegel's story

2705
01:57:03,950 --> 01:57:01,739
because it was involved with a hit a UFO

2706
01:57:05,540 --> 01:57:03,960
over a number of our listeners have

2707
01:57:06,830 --> 01:57:05,550
heard it many times but he was with a

2708
01:57:08,090 --> 01:57:06,840
lot of police officers when that

2709
01:57:10,490 --> 01:57:08,100
happened i didn't get a chance to tell

2710
01:57:14,300 --> 01:57:10,500
that but anyway lee will be coming up in

2711
01:57:16,459 --> 01:57:14,310
a while on another show but again thanks

2712
01:57:18,140 --> 01:57:16,469
so much for listening and we'll be back

2713
01:57:20,310 --> 01:57:18,150
next week and remember to keep your eyes

2714
01:57:25,520 --> 01:57:20,320
to the sky